08-09-2004 03:07									#1
	Cheney: A vote for Kerry is a vote for terrorism! Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiheral...ics/9601875.htm

quote: Cheney Warns Against Vote for Kerry AMY LORENTZEN Associated Press DES MOINES, Iowa - Vice President Dick Cheney on Tuesday warned Americans about voting for Democratic Sen. John Kerry, saying that if the nation makes the wrong choice on Election Day it faces the threat of another terrorist attack. The Kerry-Edwards campaign immediately rejected those comments as "scare tactics" that crossed the line. "It's absolutely essential that eight weeks from today, on Nov. 2, we make the right choice, because if we make the wrong choice then the danger is that we'll get hit again and we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States," Cheney told about 350 supporters at a town-hall meeting in this Iowa city. If Kerry were elected, Cheney said the nation risks falling back into a "pre-9/11 mind-set" that terrorist attacks are criminal acts that require a reactive approach. Instead, he said Bush's offensive approach works to root out terrorists where they plan and train, and pressure countries that harbor terrorists. Cheney pointed to Afghanistan as a success story in pursuing terrorists although the Sept. 11 mastermind, Osama bin Laden, remains at large. In Iraq, the vice president said, the United States has taken out a leader who used weapons of mass destruction against his own people and harbored other terrorists. "Saddam Hussein today is in jail, which is exactly where he belongs," Cheney said. Democratic vice presidential candidate John Edwards issued a statement, saying, "Dick Cheney's scare tactics crossed the line today, showing once again that he and George Bush will do anything and say anything to save their jobs. Protecting America from vicious terrorists is not a Democratic or Republican issue and Dick Cheney and George Bush should know that." Edwards added that he and Kerry "will keep American safe, and we will not divide the American people to do it." The candidates are campaigning hard for Iowa's seven electoral votes. Democrat Al Gore narrowly won the state in 2000. Bush has campaigned in the state five times in the last month, and Cheney has made three stops. Hours before Cheney spoke, the Congressional Budget Office said this year's federal deficit will hit a record $422 billion. Cheney, in praising Bush's tax cuts, noted that the CBO said this year's projected deficit will be smaller than analysts had expected.

Jesus. Everytime I think the republicans couldn't sink any lower they go and pull something like this...

	08-09-2004 03:10									#2
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There is no depth to which Republicans won't sink. The worst trick the pull is appearing human and even friendly. If they were forced to wear their true forms, the undead would never win another election.

	08-09-2004 03:10									#3
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Didn't they basically already make this connection by raising the terrier alert and voicing concern that al-qaeda will try to influence the election results (with Bush losing)?

	08-09-2004 03:13									#4
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Cheney is such an idiot

he is the one person that is making me vote for Kerry more than anyone else

The guy is a war monger, and what makes it worse is that is ALL he ever thinks about

	08-09-2004 03:28									#5
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Ok, I certainly do not trust Cheney or Bush and I have made public my rejection of their illegal incarceration of citizens not charged with any crime. Rejection even to the point of probably being ready to vote for Kerry just to underscore my rejection of that crime.

However , the Bush administration is absolutely right when they state that terrorism would be much easier to commit under Kerry. Kerry strongly opposes the patriot act. The patriot act allows the government to spy on people even before it is certain they are guilty. This makes it much easier to catch terrorists. So, if a member of the administration says that americans will be substantially less safe from terrorism under Kerry than under Bush this is an uncharacteristicly honest claim for them to make. Saying you hate intrusions to privacy doesn't make the sacrifice to security that total protection of privacy demands any less real. This is truth in advertising for once people.

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"Certain they are guilty"? Based on what evidence? And if they have evidence, why couldn't they use the normal tools of investigation?

If things worked as they should have, 9/11 would not have occured. I don;t think anything in the Patriot act makes us a lick safer. Its a reorganization of the intelligence gathering services that will.

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My thing is that Kerry seems to understand the complexities of a situation better than Cheney, who is stuck in 1983 Cold War politics.

Cheney just says, "somebody messing with us, let's start shooting the place up!"

Kerry would say, "okay, who is doing the shooting, what are we shooting at, who is shooting with us, and what's the best way to shoot the place up? And by the way does anyone else have an opinon on how to shoot the place up?"

	08-09-2004 03:36									#8
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quote: Originally posted by GePap "Certain they are guilty"? Based on what evidence? And if they have evidence, why couldn't they use the normal tools of investigation? If things worked as they should have, 9/11 would not have occured. I don;t think anything in the Patriot act makes us a lick safer. Its a reorganization of the intelligence gathering services that will.

You mis-read me. I didn't say the Patriot Act allows the government to spy on people when it is certain they are guilty. I said it allows the government to spy on them even before it is certain they are guilty. That is what makes it easier to catch terrorists. However I acknowledge that even if you concede that point you don't have to support Bush. One could argue that they belive the increased security isn't worth the reduction in privacy.

Point is, when the Bush administration claims americans would be more secure under them than under Kerry judging by their platforms this is correct.

	08-09-2004 03:38									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker My thing is that Kerry seems to understand the complexities of a situation better than Cheney, who is stuck in 1983 Cold War politics. Cheney just says, "somebody messing with us, let's start shooting the place up!" Kerry would say, "okay, who is doing the shooting, what are we shooting at, who is shooting with us, and what's the best way to shoot the place up? And by the way does anyone else have an opinon on how to shoot the place up?"

This is in part because no administration that I recall patronizes the public as badly as the bush administration does. Kerry seems more intelligent at least in part because he isn't constantly insulting our intelligence with simplistic foreign policy BS screen that has nothing to do with their real reasoning.

	08-09-2004 03:39									#10
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good point

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quote: Originally posted by Geronimo You mis-read me. I didn't say the Patriot Act allows the government to spy on people when it is certain they are guilty. I said it allows the government to spy on them even before it is certain they are guilty. That is what makes it easier to catch terrorists. However I acknowledge that even if you concede that point you don't have to support Bush. One could argue that they belive the increased security isn't worth the reduction in privacy.

The government needs to have a clue about who might bhe a suspect first. And if they have a clue who mgiht be, regular investigation tchniques would work. The patriot act is like a crappy fisherman deciding he isn;t going to learn how to fish better, he is simply going to use mesh nets and dynamite to make up for his incompetence.

quote: Point is, when the Bush administration claims americans would be more secure under them than under Kerry judging by their platforms this is correct.

Only if you think the Patriot Act is worth the paper it was printed on. It wasn't.

	08-09-2004 03:42									#12
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Geronimo: Actually, Cheneys seems to imply that with the Bush Admin in power, we WON'T be hit again, which is ludicrous.

	08-09-2004 03:56									#13
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Who was in power on 11th September? I'm not saying the goverment was negligent, but it's a bit rich to pull the other side up over it?

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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Who was in power on 11th September? I'm not saying the goverment was negligent, but it's a bit rich to pull the other side up over it?

when it happened the government didn't have the powers granted under the patriot act. If kerry is elected it once more will no longer have those powers.

	08-09-2004 05:04									#15
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quote: Originally posted by GePap The government needs to have a clue about who might bhe a suspect first. And if they have a clue who mgiht be, regular investigation tchniques would work. The patriot act is like a crappy fisherman deciding he isn;t going to learn how to fish better, he is simply going to use mesh nets and dynamite to make up for his incompetence. Only if you think the Patriot Act is worth the paper it was printed on. It wasn't.

If the fisherman is fishing for fish that kill people sure, break out the dynamite and mesh nets. More dead fish in that case is a good thing, especially if I suspect the fishermen I'm relying on to kill those killer fish are incompetent. I guess I lack your tremendous faith in the governments competance at catching terrorists. I'm not sure they will do an adequate job with both hands free much less with one tied behind their back.

	08-09-2004 05:11									#16
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Cheney has hijacked 9/11 enough already

	08-09-2004 05:13									#17
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quote: when it happened the government didn't have the powers granted under the patriot act. If kerry is elected it once more will no longer have those powers.

Then if it does happen, you'll be dying for freedom that you actually have instead of a word coupled with political opportunism.

quote: If the fisherman is fishing for fish that kill people sure, break out the dynamite and mesh nets. More dead fish in that case is a good thing, especially if I suspect the fishermen I'm relying on to kill those killer fish are incompetent. I guess I lack your tremendous faith in the governments competance at catching terrorists. I'm not sure they will do an adequate job with both hands free much less with one tied behind their back.

Hardly the only priority of the government. The government has to look after a society of people, with rights and responsibilities, it is a fine balancing act, such is the nature of society and governments. The cost in freedom is far too high for the minimal tactical gains against terrorism being made. Furthermore, as for killing terrorists, one goes down, three pop up. Address the root cause of the problem. Find out why they hate you, not why they say they do, but why they actually do (sociology, history, psychology, not media and propaganda) and address it. Then the world will be a safer place.

	08-09-2004 05:28									#18
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No link yet, but I guess Keith Olbermann just reported that Cheney retracted the statement he made today.

	08-09-2004 05:29									#19
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If a vote for Kerry is a vote for terrorism, then @ terrorism.

	08-09-2004 05:31									#20
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He "meant" to say WHOEVER is in charge after November, not IF KERRY is in charge.

	08-09-2004 06:11									#21
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Well said, Cheney! Very well put and very accurate.

	08-09-2004 06:17									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Well said, Cheney! Very well put and very accurate.

Well that says it all, a resounding endorsement from 'polys very own Hitler

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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Well that says it all, a resounding endorsement from 'polys very own Hitler

You mean you endorse Cheney.. now I didn't know that!

	08-09-2004 06:25									#24
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Another thread where some people need to chill...

DISCUSS THE TOPIC... NOT THE POSTERS.

	08-09-2004 06:38									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Another thread where some people need to chill...

Clearly Fez was very offended. His particular use of the angry smiley really stuck out to me.

In other news: @ Cheney

	08-09-2004 06:39									#26
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara There is no depth to which Republicans won't sink. The worst trick the pull is appearing human and even friendly. If they were forced to wear their true forms, the undead would never win another election.

Ahem.

	08-09-2004 06:49									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Another thread where some people need to chill... DISCUSS THE TOPIC... NOT THE POSTERS.

Just having fun, it's not like you to overreact, bad day at the office?

	08-09-2004 06:50									#28
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Just having fun, not like you to overreact

I would suggest you check your PM's... because the clock is ticking.

	08-09-2004 07:00									#29
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Cheny had better pray the terrorists don't strike before Election Day, otherwise he's going to regret what he said in that article more than he might have ever realized.

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	08-09-2004 07:22									#30
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I hope he prays that terrorists don't strike at all

But then...he IS Dick Cheney, and there are plenty of other oil-producing countries that need "liberating"