Apolyton Archive  |  Preserved copy of the Apolyton Civilization Site and its forums as they stood in September 2005. Read-only; nothing here can be posted to or replied to.  |  Forum index |  About this archive |  The 1998–2001 UBB forums
Today on Apolyton WARDELL INTERVIEW PROMO A.C.S. HISTORY CHAPTER 4 GET CIV4 /w FREE PLUS! A.C.S. PHOTO GALLERY GET A.O.M. V1.1
Apolyton Civilization Forums
main| civ2| civ3| civ4| smac| ctp2| ron| moo3| galciv| galciv2| alt| about|
ApolytonPLUS | register | search | faq | new posts | pm (-/-) | upload | members
hall of fame new! | civgroups | civgroups news | interviews | the column | radio | chat | directory | news | store | PLUS
Apolyton Civilization Forums : Powered by vBulletin version 2.0.3 Apolyton Civilization Forums > Miscellaneous > Stories & Diplomacy > SheepNES:
Show a Printable Version | Email This Page to Someone! | Receive updates to this thread | Report this to Apolyton news!
CivGroups
Diplomacy (20): Not a Member - Join
Never Ending Stories (43): Not a Member - Join
Apolyton Storywriters' Guild (56): Not a Member - Join

bottom of page
  
Author
Thread   
Pages (4): [ 1   2   3   4   ]
< Last Thread     Next Thread > Post New Thread     Post A Reply
Sheep is offline Sheep
King
The Hand of Sheep, the Hand of Death
Mar 2002
time: 15:23
  Old Post 08-09-2004 18:54
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#1 Report this post to a moderator
SheepNES: To Die or Not To Die, That is the Question! Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Credit Should Be Given to North King for this NES

This NES will be based around the very early United States of America. However, to make things interesting for more than one player, the states are now much more powerful than they were in real life. The storyline goes thus:

In the year of 1788, the Constitutional Convention was in essence a failure. The goals it set out to meet; a strong, federal government, were not quite abandoned entirely, but not much good happened either. The new Constitution of the United States only achieved three new things: a new law required a simple majority of the legislature to agree upon, there were two branches of Congress, and a new, independent executive branch was created to enforce the laws. Also a decentralized Judicial branch was created, though this had little power. States, however, retain most of the power, and rivalries have grown to the brink of civil war between the most powerful. Tensions are now high in the states, and many have fled to the frontiers, which hold promise of a new life...

In this NES, you take the reigns of one of those states, and lead it through war, peace, trade, and diplomacy. There are many new innovative rules, so pay attention closely. Though they are complex, they will actually make it simpler to play.

Economy:

This section is totally revamped from the last stNNES. Firstly, economy is based on income and expenses. Secondly, there is now the idea of deficit spending and debt.

Income:

Income is earned by the thousands of dollars. Some states start out with a large income, some with a small income. The ways you increase economy are: by expanding into new territory (must this be explained?), trade (more on that later), passing new internal bills in your states (like one that increases taxes, or encourages businesses or farmers or immigration), exploiting natural resources (like a bill to allow mass logging of your states forests), and through random events, which some naturally with each update.

Expenses:

These are vast, naturally. The areas of spending are: armed forces maintenance, education, projects, transportation, interest on loans, social welfare, internal security, etc. There is no way to stop this monster unless you curtail your expenses.

Deficit Spending:

Don’t have enough money to increase the army more? Can’t afford supporting new industries? Deficit spending is the answer. Basically, all you really need to do to go into deficit is to order your minions to spend more than you earn. Every turn you spend more money than you earn, the debt grows by the amount you are losing.

Now this sounds like a miracle cure–except there is one problem. There is a ten percent interest on your national debt. This represents the fact that what you are doing is essentially borrowing from your banks. What this means is that for every ten thousand dollars you are in debt, you are adding one thousand a turn to your expenses every turn. You can, of course, merely spend even further into the deficit to cover these costs, but don’t spend too far into debt: the banks may just not allow you to take out any more. This will be hinted at in the updates before it happens, so you will have advanced warning.

Of course, you can pay off your debt. That will just be added to the expenses for that turn.

Military:

This is your states militia. It is in numbers. An increase is a thousand men each, subject to change. Each increase costs a thousand dollars, but that is not the end of the cost of military. Your army eats up a certain amount of money, depending on their level.

If you want your army to be of conscript level, then allot one thousand dollars for every five thousand men every turn.

If you want your army to be of regular level, then allot one thousand dollars for every two thousand men every turn.

If you want your army to be of elite level, then allot two thousand dollars for every one thousand men every turn.

(A note on these: this is rounded up. So if you want it to be at militia level, then five thousand men would cost $1,000, six thousand men would be $2,000).

And that is it. One up front cost, then an ongoing cost. It is pretty simple.

Naval forces are the same, except levels are of ten ships each.

Trade:

Either the lifeblood or the destroyer of your state. Trade is either negative or positive. If you have many natural resources and encourage trade, you are likely to have a positive trade balance. A resource poor state can still use trade to its advantage, if it is in a strategic location. Then it can act as a distributer of good from its trade hub, and thus will have a good trade balance, for it is redistributing that which it bought. Confused yet?

If your state has much in the way of natural resources, then you will export those automatically. It will also import that which is desires. The people, in other words, control your trade, not you theirs. So it is all handled automatically. More work for me and less for you. Nice, eh?

You can influence trade, though not control it.

There are ways to do this: make legislation (aka put in your orders) to increase gathering or manufacturing of a certain product. Be creative. If you do not produce cotton, you could still set yourself up as the major textile manufacturer, and make much money even though you import a lot of cotton. You can encourage iron smelters, everything you can think of. Be creative.

You can also enact tariffs on imports. This you just put into your orders. This has a twin effect: not only does your trade deficit go down (generally by half), the state’s people will stop exporting to you as much and thus loose them money. Be warned, though, that this will not be taken lightly. Other states will probably enact tariffs on your own goods in response to you tariffing theirs. So it is most useful when you are losing much money to them and not gaining much. You can enact tariffs on separate states or the rest of the nation as a whole.

Trade won’t really start until you start influencing industries to grow, so legislation there is the way to “start a trade route”.

Education:

Simple, the more you invest into here, the quicker you gain new advances. Of course, larger states have to invest more to have the same overall education as smaller states...

Transportation:

If you invest heavily into here, your armies will move faster, your trade will go better, and your expansion will be faster. A good are to invest in, indeed.

Internal Security:

This is essentially police. Spend more here and you’ll have less chance of rebellion, and your people will like you better as crime will go down. Trade may also improve.

Industry:

Spend more here, and your resource gathering efforts and industry encouragings will be more effective.

Projects:

The local equivalent of wonders. They cost money. Tell me what it is and what it does. I will tell you how much it costs. In your budget, order to spend money on these (a certain amount per turn), or nothing will happen.

Elections!:


You can be elected president! Or you can simply influence elections. How?

Announce in the thread along with normal diplomacy that you will be running the year before the election. Then others will have the chance to announce their candidacy or endorse you. Then, in election year, just wait and see.

Being president not only is a ceremonial gesture of how powerful you are, it also allows you to command the national army (though it is small), veto the Congress when it tries to make a bill you do not like, etc.

You can also rig elections. To do this, in your orders, simply put “rig elections to elect ___.” This is so that if you don’t like the policies or simply don’t like the home state of the candidate, then you can make the elections turn out how you want. There is, however, a chance of it being discovered, which will not please your people.

Or you can simply let your people elect who they want to elect. They will vote in their perceived best interests.

Congress:

Congress is your place for diplomacy to come into action. Just introduce a bill (it can be whatever you want, just keep it realistic. It can be deliberately aimed to hurt your enemies production and trade, or it can be a declaration of war on another nation, etc.) in your orders. Then it will be announced in the newspaper that following year. Then, states can vote. You can either vote yes, no, or abstain. A bill needs a majority to pass. If you want others to vote for your bill, either make it attractive to them or bribe them. Your choice.

I think I have touched everything.

Last edited by Sheep on 10-09-2004 at 10:54

Sheep is offline Sheep
King
The Hand of Sheep, the Hand of Death
Mar 2002
time: 15:23
  Old Post 08-09-2004 18:55
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#2 Report this post to a moderator
Tired of ads?

Starting Map

Attachment: sheepnespoly.png
This has been downloaded 158 time(s).

Last edited by Sheep on 08-09-2004 at 19:16

Sheep is offline Sheep
King
The Hand of Sheep, the Hand of Death
Mar 2002
time: 15:23
  Old Post 08-09-2004 18:57
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#3 Report this post to a moderator
Enter the AD-FREE zone

State: Massachusetts
Player: N/A
Electoral votes: 15
Economy:
>Income: 20
>Expenses: 0
>Balance: 20
>Debt: 0
>Interest: 0
Trade:
>Imports:
>Exports:
>Balance:
Armed forces:
Education:
Transportation:
Internal Security:
Industry:
Projects:
Notes: Lots of Timber currently in the process of being cut down, excellent trade opportunities and fisheries.

State: New Hampshire
Player: N/A
Electoral votes: 4
Economy:
>Income: 8
>Expenses: 0
>Balance: 8
>Debt: 0
>Interest: 0
Trade:
>Imports:
>Exports:
>Balance:
Armed forces:
Education:
Transportation:
Internal Security:
Industry:
Projects:
Notes: Lots of timber ready to be cut. Maple Syrup, for what that’s worth.

New York
Player: 1889
Electoral votes: 24
Economy:
>Income: 39
>Expenses: 0
>Balance: 39
>Debt: 0
>Interest: 0
Trade:
>Imports:
>Exports:
>Balance:
Armed forces:
Education:
Transportation:
Internal Security:
Industry:
Projects:
Notes: Timber, Huge Ports, good Farmland. A large population, potential for lots of immigration, and the workforce for much industry.

Rhode Island
Player: N/A
Electoral votes: 3
Economy:
>Income: 8
>Expenses: 0
>Balance: 8
>Debt: 0
>Interest: 0
Trade:
>Imports:
>Exports:
>Balance:
Armed forces:
Education:
Transportation:
Internal Security:
Industry:
Projects:
Notes: Some industrial potential.

Pennsylvannia
Player: foolish
Electoral votes: 15
Economy:
>Income: 17
>Expenses: 0
>Balance: 17
>Debt: 0
>Interest: 0
Trade:
>Imports:
>Exports:
>Balance:
Armed forces:
Education:
Transportation:
Internal Security:
Industry:
Projects:
Notes: Coal, Potential for lots of industries, particularly steel, forests, a large workforce. Industry is up and coming.

Kentucky
Player: N/A
Electoral votes: 4
Economy:
>Income: 5 (+2 slaves)
>Expenses: 0
>Balance: 7
>Debt: 0
>Interest: 0
Trade:
>Imports:
>Exports:
>Balance:
Armed forces:
Education:
Transportation:
Internal Security:
Industry:
Projects:
Notes: Forests, with a lot of potential to expand. Also a small, but growing workforce

Maryland
Player: N/A
Electoral votes: 15
Economy:
>Income: 15 (+2 slaves)
>Expenses: 0
>Balance: 17
>Debt: 0
>Interest: 0
Trade:
>Imports:
>Exports:
>Balance:
Armed forces:
Education:
Transportation:
Internal Security:
Industry:
Projects:
Notes: Some slaves, some good farmland, Industrial potential.

Virginia
Player: N/A
Electoral votes: 20
Economy:
>Income: 24 (+4 slaves)
>Expenses: 0
>Balance: 28
>Debt: 0
>Interest: 0
Trade:
>Imports:
>Exports:
>Balance:
Armed forces:
Education:
Transportation:
Internal Security:
Industry:
Projects:
Notes: Lots of slaves, big population, some forests, some potential for industry but much more for agriculture. Cotton being heavily farmed, tabacco growing growing.

North Carolina
Player: N/A
Electoral votes: 7
Economy:
>Income: 12 (+ 3 slaves)
>Expenses: 0
>Balance: 15
>Debt: 0
>Interest: 0
Trade:
>Imports:
>Exports:
>Balance:
Armed forces:
Education:
Transportation:
Internal Security:
Industry:
Projects:
Notes: Some forests, Good cotton growing land, a large population with some potential for industry.

South Carolina
Player: N/A
Electoral votes: 10
Economy:
>Income: 17 (+6 slaves)
>Expenses: 0
>Balance: 23
>Debt: 0
>Interest: 0
Trade:
>Imports:
>Exports:
>Balance:
Armed forces:
Education:
Transportation:
Internal Security:
Industry:
Projects:
Notes: Some forests, Good cotton growing land, a large population with some potential for industry.

Georgia
Player: N/A
Electoral votes: 6
Economy:
>Income: 9 (+3 slaves)
>Expenses: 0
>Balance: 12
>Debt: 0
>Interest: 0
Trade:
>Imports:
>Exports:
>Balance:
Armed forces:
Education:
Transportation:
Internal Security:
Industry:
Projects:
Notes: Good cotton land, forests, but a Native problem in the Northwest.

Conneticut
Player: Pave
Electoral votes: 5
Economy:
>Income: 12
>Expenses: 0
>Balance: 12
>Debt: 0
>Interest: 0
Trade:
>Imports:
>Exports:
>Balance:
Armed forces:
Education:
Transportation:
Internal Security:
Industry:
Projects:
Notes: Potential for industry, fisheries.

Tennessee
Player: N/A
Electoral votes: 4
Economy:
>Income: 6 (slaves +2)
>Expenses: 0
>Balance: 8
>Debt: 0
>Interest: 0
Trade:
>Imports:
>Exports:
>Balance:
Armed forces:
Education:
Transportation:
Internal Security:
Industry:
Projects:
Notes: Forests, with a lot of potential to expand. Also a small, but growing workforce.

Delaware
Player: Gamecube64
Electoral votes: 4
Economy:
>Income: 7 (+1 slaves)
>Expenses: 0
>Balance: 8
>Debt: 0
>Interest: 0
Trade:
>Imports:
>Exports:
>Balance:
Armed forces:
Education:
Transportation:
Internal Security:
Industry:
Projects:
Notes: Forests, with a lot of potential to expand. Also a small, but growing workforce.

Last edited by Sheep on 15-09-2004 at 02:24

Sheep is offline Sheep
King
The Hand of Sheep, the Hand of Death
Mar 2002
time: 15:23
  Old Post 08-09-2004 19:09
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#4 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Resereved in case something weird happens 1.

Sheep is offline Sheep
King
The Hand of Sheep, the Hand of Death
Mar 2002
time: 15:23
  Old Post 08-09-2004 19:10
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#5 Report this post to a moderator
Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Reserved in case something weird happens 2.

Sheep is offline Sheep
King
The Hand of Sheep, the Hand of Death
Mar 2002
time: 15:23
  Old Post 08-09-2004 19:11
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#6 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

The American Herald
Bringing news to you at a cheap price
1 cent ....................................January 1st, 1800

Herald goes national!
Once only distributed in Massachusetts, we are pleased to announce that all of the colonies will be getting our unbiased news source! We will continue bringing all of you the very best in neutral reporting, and all the best news in the colonies. on page 2, editor’s comments

Presidential Election Campaign started!

It seems that this campaign shalt be the most interesting in a long time. Running for the Federalists is incumbent John Adams, for the Democratic-Republicans shall be running Thomas Jefferson. Adams supports a strong, centralized government, however, this is proclaimed to be contrary to the Constitution by opponent Jefferson, who clings to his ideal of the self sufficient American Farmer... see page two for details

Indians in Georgia attacking again?

It seems that the Indians who dwell in Georgia are acting up again, attacking settlers for their supposed attacks on Indians. Of course, the Georgia government seems to be inclined to stamp these raids out, and perhaps a state militia is in order, as was granted to the states under the Constitution. How this will affect the movement west is unknown.

The westerly moving population

The population of the United States is continually moving west, and it seems that most are moving to two main areas: Kentucky and Tennessee, and the Ohio River Valley. Some Easterners fear the shift, as it might bring about a new power struggle between the established colonies and the new western frontiers. see page five for the presidential candidates position on this issue and expansion in general

Sheep is offline Sheep
King
The Hand of Sheep, the Hand of Death
Mar 2002
time: 15:23
  Old Post 08-09-2004 19:12
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#7 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

You may join, post orders and vote for one of the cadidates. Update will come as soon as Seven players have done this!

foolish_icarus is offline foolish_icarus
King
the thievery continues
Nov 2002
time: 21:23
  Old Post 10-09-2004 03:31
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#8 Report this post to a moderator
Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Pennsylvania

Jamski is offline Jamski
Deity
lol ED&D is officially full PvP LOL
May 2002
time: 05:23
  Old Post 10-09-2004 04:07
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#9 Report this post to a moderator
Inflate your Upload Space

This looks interesting, but I'm on dial-up and limited net-time at the moment.

Can I be "1st reserve" and come in later in about 2 weeks?

Please?

-Jam

Sheep is offline Sheep
King
The Hand of Sheep, the Hand of Death
Mar 2002
time: 15:23
  Old Post 10-09-2004 04:16
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#10 Report this post to a moderator
Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

The rate the sign ups are going its going to be two weeks before we start the nes. Sign up and I will keep your state temp NPC for a while.

1889 is offline 1889

King
Limbo
May 2004
time: 22:23
  Old Post 10-09-2004 21:16
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#11 Report this post to a moderator
Remove this text

I am totaly new to this type of game. I only know what you typed up in the instructions. Id like to play New York if you don't mind giving that much power to some one new.

Pave is offline Pave
Prince
Celebrating Macedonia, the country north to FOPOG
Dec 2002
time: 07:23
  Old Post 11-09-2004 14:25 Visit Pave's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#12 Report this post to a moderator
Full PM-box? Change here!

I'll take Conneticut, even thought I don't know where in USA it is.

EDIT: I should have seeked Connecticut on a map before I chose it.

Last edited by Pave on 11-09-2004 at 14:38

1889 is offline 1889

King
Limbo
May 2004
time: 22:23
  Old Post 11-09-2004 17:38
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#13 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Don't worry most Americans cant even find all those little New England states. Who needs 50 of anything anyway.

Gamecube64 is offline Gamecube64
King
of Persia
Apr 2004
time: 23:23
  Old Post 11-09-2004 21:27
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#14 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

I choose the mighty state of Delaware! All shall fear the smallest state in the Union.

Now to divvy up my budget, 5k for transportation, 1k for education, and 2k for industry.

Last edited by Gamecube64 on 11-09-2004 at 21:42

1889 is offline 1889

King
Limbo
May 2004
time: 22:23
  Old Post 12-09-2004 00:27
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#15 Report this post to a moderator
Remove this text

Sheep, its not too late to run for President against Adams or Jefferson is it. Someone needs to save this young nation from either of those radicals.

Sheep is offline Sheep
King
The Hand of Sheep, the Hand of Death
Mar 2002
time: 15:23
  Old Post 12-09-2004 06:55
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#16 Report this post to a moderator
Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Yeah go for it!

Gamecube64 is offline Gamecube64
King
of Persia
Apr 2004
time: 23:23
  Old Post 12-09-2004 07:14
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#17 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Can he choose a running mate?

Sheep is offline Sheep
King
The Hand of Sheep, the Hand of Death
Mar 2002
time: 15:23
  Old Post 12-09-2004 07:15
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#18 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

YES but the ruynning mate must also control another state of the Union.

Traianvs is offline Traianvs
Prince
Belgium, land of plenty (corruption)
Jan 2000
time: 06:23
  Old Post 13-09-2004 00:57
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#19 Report this post to a moderator
Full PM-box? Change here!

looks like a very time consuming game
who thought of this? someone from 'round here?

1889 is offline 1889

King
Limbo
May 2004
time: 22:23
  Old Post 14-09-2004 05:31
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#20 Report this post to a moderator
Enter the AD-FREE zone

So your hoping to start on the 25th?

Still 10 states to go. What do you think would be the fewest we need for a game, 7 maybe?

Bonus: Who can name the state that was not one of the original 13?

Gamecube64 is offline Gamecube64
King
of Persia
Apr 2004
time: 23:23
  Old Post 14-09-2004 05:58
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#21 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton

Doesn't say I'm Delaware yet.

Pave is offline Pave
Prince
Celebrating Macedonia, the country north to FOPOG
Dec 2002
time: 07:23
  Old Post 14-09-2004 19:38 Visit Pave's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#22 Report this post to a moderator
Conneticut Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

Economy: 5k to Industry, 2k for Education and 1k for Transportation. Increse taxes a bit.

Conneticut supports Jefferson, unless someone new comes to the electional games.

Pave is offline Pave
Prince
Celebrating Macedonia, the country north to FOPOG
Dec 2002
time: 07:23
  Old Post 14-09-2004 19:41 Visit Pave's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#23 Report this post to a moderator
Got spare money?

quote:
Originally posted by Gamecube64
Doesn't say I'm Delaware yet.

It does took a bit time Sheep to update the players.

Sheep is offline Sheep
King
The Hand of Sheep, the Hand of Death
Mar 2002
time: 15:23
  Old Post 15-09-2004 02:25
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#24 Report this post to a moderator
Inflate your Upload Space

3 more. However start diplomacy and orders. Remember to better your state's chances write a few stories. First update scheduled for the 25th, after that every 7 days, allowing for a reltivley fast paced game.

bipolarbear is offline bipolarbear
King
of Persia and the Communist Party of Apolyton
Feb 2004
time: 22:23
  Old Post 15-09-2004 20:04
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#25 Report this post to a moderator
Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

I'll take Massacheusetts, if that's kosher and all.
I might not be able to do much significant until sunday tho, my job has me locked down this week.

1889 is offline 1889

King
Limbo
May 2004
time: 22:23
  Old Post 15-09-2004 21:33
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#26 Report this post to a moderator
Orders for New York Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Military 4K (10 frigates + 3000 soldiers)
Education 8K (Albany Military Academy)
Transportation 6K
Police 3K
Industry 8K
Erie Canal Project 10K

The navy will patrol the coast for pirates with 4 frigates. New York Harbor is their main focus but with permission they will patrol the entire east coast. 4 frigates will harass the pirate bases in the Caribbean, and earn Spain’s gratitude. 2 frigates will make friendly visits to European ports where the crews will be encouraged to carouse with the locals and brag about all the jobs and opportunity available for immigrants to New York.

The army will build some fortifications on the frontier between Buffalo and Niagara. This shouldn’t bother the British as they are defensive, and they will double as trade posts to foster good relations with the natives. The main job for right now though will be surveying and mapping of the territory of New York. 2 companies are offered to Georgia to help stabilize their frontier.

The survey work will set the stage for our Erie Canal Project. The canal will connect all the rivers and lakes between Albany and Buffalo and make one continuos waterway 365 miles long. It will open most of the state to swift,cheep travel.

The Albany Military Academy will produce officers and gunners, but most of its curriculum is engineering.

Industry spending will be used to encourage manufacturing, mostly textiles, farm implements and rifles.

Last edited by 1889 on 15-09-2004 at 22:50

1889 is offline 1889

King
Limbo
May 2004
time: 22:23
  Old Post 15-09-2004 22:30
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#27 Report this post to a moderator
William Alexander for President Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Like you, I took the words of Mr. Adams in the Declaration of Independence seriously. I fought for liberty from the tyranny of King George. While we were in harms way Mr. Adams was enjoying balls and state diners in the court of King Louis XVI of France. His support for a strong, centralized government, despite the fact that it is contrary to the spirit of his own declaration, betrays how well he liked the life of royalty. He would have the states surrender their sovereignty to his federal government and be king in all but name. Is this why we fought for six years? Is this what so many of our fathers and brothers gave their lives for?

Mr. Jefferson with his ideal of the self-sufficient farmer is more reasonable, and if we lived in a perfect world he would have my vote. The sad fact that our war of independence makes clear is that the world is not a perfect place. Spain, France and England beset us on every border. These are the most powerful nations on earth and Mr. Jefferson’s self sufficient farmer cannot defend his farm or family against such opponents. Should we now forget the brotherhood that was forged in the fire of revolution? Should we simple hope that the nations now dividing up the entire world would simply leave us in peace?

It is the job of the federal government to provide security for all the citizens of these states. I envision a federal government that can accomplish this vital duty without infringing your freedom or livelihood, because this force will be financed with revenue, not taxes. Let a strong, united federal army preserve the peace and let the government leave its citizens to enjoy that peace.

I am William Alexander and it would be my honor to serve as your President.

1889 is offline 1889

King
Limbo
May 2004
time: 22:23
  Old Post 15-09-2004 22:31
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#28 Report this post to a moderator
Enter the AD-FREE zone

New York endorses William Alexander for President.

Sheep is offline Sheep
King
The Hand of Sheep, the Hand of Death
Mar 2002
time: 15:23
  Old Post 16-09-2004 02:14
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#29 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Update will come on Sunday.

1889 is offline 1889

King
Limbo
May 2004
time: 22:23
  Old Post 16-09-2004 02:29
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#30 Report this post to a moderator
Full PM-box? Change here!

How long does the presidental campaign last?

 
Pages (4): [ 1   2   3   4   ]
< Last Thread     Next Thread > Post New Thread     Post A Reply
All times are GMT. The time now is 05:23.
Apolyton Time is 00:23.
    top of page
Rate This Thread:
Forum Jump:
Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is ON
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON
 




Contact Us - Apolyton Civilization Site - Support Us!

Building a better Apolyton through better information. Click here and take our poll!
Non-US visitors, click here!

Powered by: vBulletin Version 2.0.3
Copyright ©2000, 2001, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.

Page generated in 0.0644 seconds (91.51% PHP - 8.49% MySQL) with 54 queries
Page Loading Time:

Support Apolyton: Amazon USA | Amazon UK | Amazon DE | Amazon FR |
Support Apolyton and get FREE PLUS, Buy from Chips&Bits: Galactic Civilizations | Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition | Call to Power 2 | Civilization: The Boardgame | GURPS/ Alpha Centauri | Alpha Centauri | Civilization IV | Civilization III: Complete |


Front Page | Civilization IV | Civilization III | Civilization II | Call to Power II | Alpha Centauri | Master of Orion III
Rise of Nations | Galactic Civilizations | Galactic Civilizations II | Misc
Alt.Civs | Civ I | C:CtP I | About | News | Directory | Apolyton Store | Forums | Chat | Columns | Interviews | Newsletter
Scenario League | CSC | Clash of Civs | Spanish Site | CtP Maps | Cradle of Civ | WesW's Ctp1/2 Site | Civ3 Haven

apolyton.net | apolyton.com | civilization2.net | civilization3.net | civilization4.net | civilizationiv.info | calltopower.net | galciv.net | galciv2.net | moo3.net