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ACK!!! PTHBBPPPTTT!!!!
Feb 2002
time: 23:23
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Originally posted by Buck Birdseed
*sigh*
I shouldn't even begin to discuss something with Asher who's repeatedly showed no understanding of what art is about whatsoever.
But alright, I'll give it a go.
Asher, you need to disavow yourself of the notion of the individual as the sole purveyor of creativity. In fact, loads of truly great music and art has grown forth in communities, with people making marginal improvements on each other's work, spurring each other on to do better things, competing and co-operating.
Sampling allows you to experiment with the music of others, to expose portions of it, to see what it's like juxtaposed with other music, with new melodies and rhythms, to analyse it by taking it apart. The great hook baked into a slab of pompous crap is taken out, given fresh air, set apart with a new melody that fits it perfectly but that the first artist could never have come up with; together two generations have created a piece of music vastly superior to what either could do on their own.
The Jamaican producer has created a riddim, true, but only if it's good enough will it get versioned by the leading Deejays, thus neatly cutting out all the crap. Each Deejay will produce a very different version of the song, his personal competition entry in the fierce dancehall market; only the best remain at the end. The music is vastly better than if one person had done it all the way through.
The cut-up artist takes a familiar piece of music and changes its meaning completely simply by switching a few phrases around. The audience gets to think about the meaning of the music in an entirely different way from before, about what art is and what creativity is, about how music and genres and language works. As it inspires thought it is better than the original piece cut-up.
A dance producer uses the sampler as an instrument, creating sounds quite unlike whatever originally went in. He has the entire world at his fingertips, every existing instrument, every potential instrument, and can from the most minute of building blocks create startling soundscapes that vastly outshine any of the tiny segments that went in.
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Except this is Rap we are talking about.......
 ACK!
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Sprayber
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Dixie
Oct 2000
time: 23:23
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quote:
Originally posted by Buck Birdseed
*sigh*
I shouldn't even begin to discuss something with Asher who's repeatedly showed no understanding of what art is about whatsoever.
But alright, I'll give it a go.
Asher, you need to disavow yourself of the notion of the individual as the sole purveyor of creativity. In fact, loads of truly great music and art has grown forth in communities, with people making marginal improvements on each other's work, spurring each other on to do better things, competing and co-operating.
Sampling allows you to experiment with the music of others, to expose portions of it, to see what it's like juxtaposed with other music, with new melodies and rhythms, to analyse it by taking it apart. The great hook baked into a slab of pompous crap is taken out, given fresh air, set apart with a new melody that fits it perfectly but that the first artist could never have come up with; together two generations have created a piece of music vastly superior to what either could do on their own.
The Jamaican producer has created a riddim, true, but only if it's good enough will it get versioned by the leading Deejays, thus neatly cutting out all the crap. Each Deejay will produce a very different version of the song, his personal competition entry in the fierce dancehall market; only the best remain at the end. The music is vastly better than if one person had done it all the way through.
The cut-up artist takes a familiar piece of music and changes its meaning completely simply by switching a few phrases around. The audience gets to think about the meaning of the music in an entirely different way from before, about what art is and what creativity is, about how music and genres and language works. As it inspires thought it is better than the original piece cut-up.
A dance producer uses the sampler as an instrument, creating sounds quite unlike whatever originally went in. He has the entire world at his fingertips, every existing instrument, every potential instrument, and can from the most minute of building blocks create startling soundscapes that vastly outshine any of the tiny segments that went in.
And so on. |
How many of the rappers, or rippers as some here would call them. do it for the art? More about the bling than art
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:23
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quote:
Originally posted by Buck Birdseed
*sigh*
I shouldn't even begin to discuss something with Asher who's repeatedly showed no understanding of what art is about whatsoever.
But alright, I'll give it a go.
Asher, you need to disavow yourself of the notion of the individual as the sole purveyor of creativity. |
Stopped reading right there. You're wrong from the very premise.
Someone writes a riff that is both well-known and catchy. Take, for example, the "Under Pressure" riff. Horribly, embarassingly bad rap "artist" takes this riff and talks about nothing over it. The catchiest and most well-known part of this song, arguably the main reason it did so well, is the riff that was stolen from another artist.
You're arguing that this is creative, I'm saying it's theft. He's welcome to do it, he just needs permission from the original artist.
It's very simple, and it has ****-all to do with your horrible fascination with this crap that is "art", and more to do with legal responsibilities.
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