11-09-2004 02:33									#1
	Apolyton Hall of Fame: September 2004 Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Hello and welcome to another edition of the Apolyton Hall of Fame!

What is it?
The Apolyton Hall of Fame (HoF) is a list of people who contributed a lot to the community here on Apolyton. For example: Xin Yu was inducted in the HoF for his incredible strategy and MP contributions to the Civ2 section, yin26 for his fantastic work on 'The List' with suggestions for Civ3. Every member of the Hall of Fame has made great contributions to Apolyton and the Civilization community - these people and their accomplishments must be remembered by us all!

If you don't recognize many names you probably haven't been here very long and/or hardly ever post outside this forum - in that case this HoF might be a good opportunity to learn something about them. That is why this Hall of Fame was created: to remember and learn.

Periodically, we hold a vote for the Apolytoners who we think contribute the most to Apolyton, the ones who make Apolyton what it is. The winners shall be inducted in the Hall of Fame and their names will live forever in the annals of APOLYTON!

History
The idea for the Hall of Fame was born in late 2000 as an outgrowth of the old Apolyton Army and Apolytoner of the Season Contests, seeking to honor the people of Apolyton in a more meaningful and structured way.

The first edition was held in the Off Topic in December 2000 over a period of 3 days and is currently archived. The first election saw Markos and Dan, the owners and administrators of this site, and the first 10 posters inducted.

Since then, the HoF vote has been held roughly 4 times a year with 11-14 total members being elected every year. Up until August 2002, the vote was held only in the Off Topic forum - from that time on it has been posted in other sections (first in Civ3, later also in SMAC, CtP1-MP, CtP2, etc).

Special Thanks/Why we do certain things:
Ming for archiving the first thread and helping manage the thread in its early days.
As per suggestion by MOBIUS, the last vote's are carried onto the next votes.
As per suggestion by Solver, all previous votes are carried onto the next votes.
As per suggestion by Martin Guhman, December votes are extended till 6 days.
As per suggestion by Locutus, introduction revised.

This edition
Welcome to the September 2004 edition of the APOLYTON HALL OF FAME

(3 Members to be inducted this session)
(Only 10 total will be elected this year)
You have approximately 16 days to vote [Until the 26th/27th).

Please vote today and elect some of your brethren to join the historic Hall; consisting of such hallowed names as Adam Smith, DanQ, MarkG, Giant Squid, St Leo, Ming, Snapcase, oedo, rah and more.

So now is your chance to decide: who should be inducted in the HoF this time?


Table of Contents
I Introduction Post
1) What is it
2) History
3) This Edition
4) Table of Contents
5) Notice

II Rules Post
1) Rules for voting
2) Amendments
a) Purgings
b) Posthumous Inductions
3) FAQ

III Hall Posting
1) Hall of Fame Members
2) Alphabetical member list
3) Chronological member list (by date of induction)
4) Chronological member list (by registration date)
5) Information about the Hall of Famers

IV Current Voting
1) Current Standings
2) Who voted for Whom

1) Rules for voting

Everyone can vote for 3 posters

Registered In/Before 1999- 4 points per vote
Registered In 2000- 3 points per vote
Registered In 2001- 3 point per vote
Registered In 2002- 2 points per vote
Registered In 2003- 2 point per vote
Registered In 2004- 1 point per vote

-You may not vote for yourself.
-All ¡¥frivolous¡¦ votes are thrown out.
-Giving your vote to someone merely because they ask is considered a frivolous vote.

No vote changing once you have voted for someone; unless you accidentally voted for someone already in the hall.

You may only vote once in the hall of fame (for 3 people) IF you try to vote more than once ALL of your votes will be made void.

Time Limit for voting is: 20 Days for this time.

2) Amendments

a) Purgings

Members will be purged from the voting rolls if they received 0 new votes in the month of election. This allows the hall to keep up-to-date, and keeps it from having to reset completely every month. Thus, the hall worthy posters will continue to gather votes day in and day out because their contributions to Apolyton are timeless.

b) Posthumous Inductions

In the regrettable case where a popular member has perished, the Hall of Fame has the ability to posthumously induct him/her into the hall based upon popular opinion. The first class of posthumous inductees (December 2003) included such forum greats as Tazidude, Scouse Gits(2), and faded glory.

3) FAQ:

Trust me, an on-topicer will never win ¡§

What about Xin Yu? What about Velociryx? Both good posters who are currently in the hall!
And if you think that being interviewed by Solver is a prerequisite for an on-topicer getting into the hall- remember Paul!

And remember, many of these ¡¥mostly-OT posters¡¦ used to be huge on-topic posters back around 1998-99! Ming for example, Giant Squid for another!

Disclaimer:

The Hall of Fame is based on whoever people vote for, and as Lazarus and the Gimp stated so eloquently: ¡§"The compilers of this list cannot rule out the possibility of inductees being a bunch of utter ****s" Thus. Please. Don¡¦t shoot the messenger.

Where is the Hall of Fame usually posted?

From December 2000 to August 2002, the Hall of Fame had only been posted in the Off Topic forums; with occasional forays into the Apolyton/Community section. However, nowadays you can find the Apolyton Hall of Fame in the OT (main) Civ III (main) and with satellite threads that link into the hall of fame in the following sections: CTP II MP, AC-General, Alt.Civ section-„³Clash of Civilizations (b/c it has 2nd most posts in alt.civ), Civ III DemoGame sections.

Also, the Hall of Fame is currently lobbying to become a news item.

¡¨How long is voting?¡¨

Voting will continue for roughly 7 days.

In December; voting will be 12 days unless the corollary act is enacted and voting is done during Christmas time; in that case voting will be extended to 17 days in order to accommodate all traveling voters)

Why Do People who received no votes last time expire ?

Their votes expire and they are zeroed and kicked off the list because they were not found to be interesting at the time of the last vote or two. This is done so as to keep the hall clear¡K

This new process certainly keeps the hall current (a la Major League Baseball¡¦s Hall of Fame)

I was recommended not to carry over votes at all, but will continue that tradition, at least for this election because of the idea that we don¡¦t just want ¡§flavor of the month¡¨ posters elected. We want people who have contributed over a long period of time.

For a list of members see :http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=121939

NOTE: You may vote here, but the full voting results will only be published in the following thread:
OT: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=121939
Have a good time!

	11-09-2004 02:33									#2
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1) Current Standings (The Previous Votes’ add-ins are in brackets) a
These are all the people who made the last List, but were not elected.
(136 posters going into the election)

1. alexman (48)
2. Solo- (42)
3. Spiffor- (39)
4. El Awrence- (36) 3---39

DarkCloud- (30)
Kramsib- (30)
WesW- (30)
Googlie- (27) 3---30

Fez/Giancarlo- (29)

Samson- (26)

Theseus- (25)
Zeus_of_Olimpos- (25)
Paddy the Scot- (25)

The Slayer- (24)

berzerker- (23)

Immortal Wombat- (21)

Master Zen- (20)
Togas- (20)

Dominae- (19)
Harlan- (19)
OzzyKP- (19)
Ted Striker- (19)

Yaroslav- (18)
loinburger- (18)

Skanky Burns-(17)

korn469- ---- (16)
Jasev- (16)
MrWhereItsAt- (16)
Jamski- (16)
Chilean President-( 16)

Catt- (15)

Dr Strangelove- (14)
UberKrux- (14)
Wittlich- (14)
Tiamat- (14)

Shi Huangdi- (13)
Solver- (13)
La Fayette- (13)

Azazel (Dalgetti)- (12)
Arrian (12)
Sava- (12)
vmxa1-(12)

Sagacious Dolphin/Big Crunch- (11)
Sikander- (11)
MrFun- (11)
EyesOfNight- (11)
Lefty Scaevola- (11)

MLeonard- -----(10)
Alinestra Covelia (10)
ChrisiusMaximus- (10)
Pekka- (10)
Kassiopeia- (10)
vondrack- (10)
Comrade Tassadar- (10)

MariOne- (9)
SlowThinker-(9)
Urban Ranger- (6) 3---9

cavebear- (8)
deity- (8)
Frustrated Poet- (8)
SKILORD- (8)
Arnelos- (8)
Tau Ceti- (8)

Venom- (7)
Ogie Oglethorpe- (7)
David Floyd- (7)
PLATO- (7)
Dr Spike- (7)
E_T- (7)
vovan- (7)
Jon Miller- (7)

Hexagonian- (6)
Mr. Ogre- (6)
Sn00py- (6)

GhengisFarb- (5)
ducki- (5)

Sprayber - (4)
Post Count Zero- (4)
CivNation (AKA DefensorFidei)- (4)
Techumseh- (4)
Lincoln- (4)
Quinns-(4)
Archaic- (4)
Frozzy- (4)
MarkusF- (4)
Agathon- (4)
Lorizael- (4)
Boann- (4)
Mr Baggins- (4)
Rasputin- (4)
alva- (4)
monolith94- (4)
BaronO- (4)
Smash- (4)

Aeson- (3)
st_swithin- (3)
Beta- (3)
Oerdin- (3)
Pyaray- (3)
Frankychan- (3)
Fried-Psitalon- (3)
devilmunchkin- (3)
100. Crimson Sunrise- (3)
civman2000- (3)
HongHu- (3)
Kody- (3)
TheBirdMan- (2)
WRW- (3)
hemical Ollie- (3)
raingoon- (3)
Bongo- (3)
Coracle-(3)
Lonestar- (3)
jimmytrick- (3)
CharlesBHoff- (3)
HappySunShine- (3)
Gramphos- (3)

GePap- (2)
finbar- (2)
Sir Ralph-(2)
Dale- (2)
Elephant- (2)
Gerar Dream- (2)
Niessuh- (2)
Rhothaerill- (2)
Zopperoni-(2)
mindseye- (2)
Darius- (2)
Keygen- (2)
CerberusIV-(2)
Jaguar Warrior- (2)
joncha- (2)
136. Flubber- (2)
Molly Bloom- (2)
Drogue- (2)

Kaak- (1)


2) Who voted for Whom

DarkCloud voted for: Urban Ranger (3), El Awrence (3), Googlie (3)

*Registered 1999

	11-09-2004 03:02									#3
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Here my votes:

WesW
Immortal Wombat
Hexagonian

	11-09-2004 03:22									#4
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3 each to:

WesW
Hexagonian
MrOgre

	11-09-2004 03:41									#5
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Wes
Ben
Harlan

And dammit get one of those people inducted so I can start voting for CD again

	11-09-2004 05:16									#6
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Ben Kenobi?

thanks for voting!

	11-09-2004 06:00									#7
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No, me Ben. Stupid.

DarkCloud, why the flying **** have I dropped 14 places since March?

	11-09-2004 06:20									#8
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WesW
Hexagonian
Martin Gühmann

	11-09-2004 06:50									#9
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Okay, I PMed you the reason.

is that sufficient?

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Thank you all for voting!

-DC

	11-09-2004 07:40									#10
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quote: Originally posted by DarkCloud Ben Kenobi?

And you're supposed to know everyone around here? There's only one Ben in the CtP community (well, among the regulars anyway). And I wouldn't vote for Ben Kenobi if my life depended on it...

	11-09-2004 07:52									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat DarkCloud, why the flying **** have I dropped 14 places since March?

Yes, the whole list seems totally messed up compared to last time, everyone lost most of their points. I can't find anything about new rules, WTF happened?

	11-09-2004 21:54									#12
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WesW
Immortal Wombat
Solver

	12-09-2004 01:42									#13
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Well, thanks for you PM, DarkCloud.

quote: Originally posted by Locutus Yes, the whole list seems totally messed up compared to last time, everyone lost most of their points. I can't find anything about new rules, WTF happened?

Everything got reset to the points total of the last election results. So basically, long term efforts to get posters in failed, whereas short-term celebrities go zooming up the table.

This seems like an odd decision, considering elsewhere DC has posted that votes shouldn't be zeroed after one term of no-votes, and nearer to 6 terms of no-votes - specifically to make it easier for older ex-popular posters to get in.

	12-09-2004 07:14									#14
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quote: And you're supposed to know everyone around here? There's only one Ben in the CtP community (well, among the regulars anyway). And I wouldn't vote for Ben Kenobi if my life depended on it...

Well there's hundreds of bens.
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quote: This seems like an odd decision, considering elsewhere DC has posted that votes shouldn't be zeroed after one term of no-votes, and nearer to 6 terms of no-votes - specifically to make it easier for older ex-popular posters to get in.

I couldn't think of any other way to solve the problem. It was becoming unassailable for people to ascend the list. Everyone in the top 20 would have gotten in eventually regardless of merit. (And yes, there were some people on the list who had accumulated about 16 votes ONLY because one person voted for them- they were on track to actually get in if the system wasn't reset sometime... What I should have done was reset it by using the last two votes status, but I was too lazy to go back and cut/paste all the data- as it was, it still took me about 2-3 hours to do what I had to do.

And I also had to do it this month because If I waited until after I entered the hall, people would have accused me of favoritism. This way, in general, people benefitted, most people didn't shift place that much- but many people caught up to the leaders.

sadly, a few posters suffered under the shift. Originally I though it was only 2 people who lost more than 15 places, but apparently about 4-5 people lost more than 10...

	12-09-2004 07:16									#15
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and what I feel sad and worried about is that when the year turns over- the Civ III players may acquire THREE votes per turn- I'm still working out the vote point allocation, but if they receive three, then basically only Civ III players will be elected because of the sizable contingent.

And thus, neither myself, nor Wombat will ever make it into the hall

	12-09-2004 16:41									#16
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quote: Originally posted by DarkCloud Everyone in the top 20 would have gotten in eventually regardless of merit.

Well, isn't that the point? As far as I could tell, pretty much everyone in the top 20 deserved to be in (with the exception of maybe one or two OTers, but what are you ever gonna do about that?)

quote: and what I feel sad and worried about is that when the year turns over- the Civ III players may acquire THREE votes per turn- I'm still working out the vote point allocation, but if they receive three, then basically only Civ III players will be elected because of the sizable contingent. And thus, neither myself, nor Wombat will ever make it into the hall

Exactly as it was before with the OT...

There's a structural problem with the HoF as it stands and that problem has existed ever since its inception: it's not balanced. At first, only OTers could make it in because you only held it in the OT, now only people from big communities can make it in because they accumulate the most votes (e.g. a popular CtP2 poster like Hexagonian or WesW will accumulate at most 20 points per round and a popular SMACer maybe 10-15 points, while a popular OTer or Civ3er currently accumulates 30-40 points per round -- no amount of resetting will ever allow more than a handful of people who don't post in the OT or Civ3 forums to get inducted).

The solution, as I've said in the past, would be to have HoF nominations per category. Have one for Civ3, one for Civ2, one for CtP, one for OT, etc. And then a general one for communities too small/young to warrant their own category. You'll probably also want to keep track of people who get votes in multiple categories there, so people who get a few points here and a few points there still have a shot at being inducted...

	12-09-2004 16:46									#17
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quote: Originally posted by DarkCloud Well there's hundreds of bens.

Name 10...

Regardless, there's only one of any kind of significance.

And can you please adapt my vote, as I'm still registered as having voted for Ben Kenobi

	13-09-2004 04:20									#18
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For what it's worth:

WesW
Immortal Wombat
Hexagonian

	13-09-2004 04:28									#19
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quote: Well, isn't that the point? As far as I could tell, pretty much everyone in the top 20 deserved to be in (with the exception of maybe one or two OTers, but what are you ever gonna do about that?)

Just making sure we are on the same page here- I was talking about top 20 on the voting chart, not the members list.

quote: The solution, as I've said in the past, would be to have HoF nominations per category. Have one for Civ3, one for Civ2, one for CtP, one for OT, etc. And then a general one for communities too small/young to warrant their own category. You'll probably also want to keep track of people who get votes in multiple categories there, so people who get a few points here and a few points there still have a shot at being inducted...

I'll consider this, but what do we do about posters who 'cross-post' in many different areas?

quote: And can you please adapt my vote, as I'm still registered as having voted for Ben Kenobi

It's fixed in my records... It'll probably be fixed in the update.

	13-09-2004 04:33									#20
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right now, if we were going with the old stats: (just eyeballing the stats)

The only changes are myself and IW.

alexman would be 1st
I would be 2nd
Immortal Wombat/Spiffor would be 3rd.

El Awrence would be 4th.

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Here's the real stats:

1. El Awrence- (36) 37---73
2. Spiffor- (39) 30---69
3. alexman (48) 20--68

Solo- (42) 19--61

DarkCloud- (30) 29—59

Kramsib- (30) 27—57

Berzerker- (23) 33--56

WesW- (30) 20--50

Master Zen- (20) 29--49

Samson- (26) 18---44

Fez/Giancarlo- (29) 13-- 43

Ted Striker- (19) 24--42

Theseus- (25) 15--40
loinburger- (18) 22---40

OzzyKP- (19) 18---37

Immortal Wombat- (21) 14--35

	13-09-2004 19:48									#21
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quote: Originally posted by DarkCloud Just making sure we are on the same page here- I was talking about top 20 on the voting chart, not the members list.

Indeed. After the last edition, the top 20 looked like this:

DarkCloud- (86) 30---116
alexman (62) 40---102
Immortal Wombat- (86) 14---100
Spiffor- (61) 33----94
Fez/Giancarlo- (62) 29---92
El Awrence- (55) 33---88
Googlie- (60) 23--83
korn469- ---- (67) 16---83
Sprayber - (78) 4---82
Urban Ranger- (74) 6---80
MLeonard- -----(67) 10--77
Dr Strangelove- (64) 10---74
Kramsib-(45) 29---74
Master Zen- (53) 19---72
WesW- (54) 17---71
Catt- (58) 11--69
Theseus- (47) 21---68
Alinestra Covelia (58) 10---67
Shi Huangdi- (53) 11---64
Harlan- (42) 15---57

With the exception of Fez and maybe Sprayber, I'd say all those people deserve to be in the HoF.

quote: I'll consider this, but what do we do about posters who 'cross-post' in many different areas?

I thought about this for a while: the easiest solution is probably that if someone has votes in multiple categories, the points are all moved to the category where (s)he got the most points. So e.g. if Immortal Wombat gets 17 points in the CtP2 forum, 12 in Off Topic and 3 in Community, his OT and Community points are moved to the CtP2 category, giving him 32 points in that category.

quote: It's fixed in my records... It'll probably be fixed in the update.

Okay, thanks.

	13-09-2004 23:09									#22
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I'm going to be philosophical about it. It's all good, all I need to do is keep some sort of presence until 2009 and I might get in. That's cool, I have nothing better to do with the next 5 years.

	13-09-2004 23:45									#23
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Hmm... I think Fez and Sprayber deserve to be in acutally.

quote: I thought about this for a while: the easiest solution is probably that if someone has votes in multiple categories, the points are all moved to the category where (s)he got the most points. So e.g. if Immortal Wombat gets 17 points in the CtP2 forum, 12 in Off Topic and 3 in Community, his OT and Community points are moved to the CtP2 category, giving him 32 points in that category.

That's an interesting idea.
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About the reset again... I suppose on the level that everyone in the top 20 deserved to be in, the whole reset could be considered sort of senseless.

But If I'm going to reverse my decision I need to think of a way to finesse it without annoying anyone.

Especially if it results in myself getting elected when otherwise I wouldn't.

	13-09-2004 23:48									#24
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hmm... this is strange:

LAST TIME
alexman (62) 40---102

THIS TIME
3. alexman (48) 20--68

Seems I gave him 8 points as a freebie...

	24-09-2004 20:44									#25
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oh, locutus, on the OT thread I have a proposition along your lines- I would like some feedback on it please:
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quote: Hmm... I've been toying with a modification of Locutus' suggestion and classifying posters into On-Topic and Off-Topic categories. Regardless of votes received, I think it might be a good idea to limit Off-Topic inductees to one per every 2 on-topicers inducted each session. I realize this might raise some controversy, but I also feel that it might help raise a more egalitarian feel about the hall. The reason for doing this is twofold 1.) On Topic is why this site was created. 2.) Off-Topicers vastly outnumber/are registered longer than on topicers. what would people's comments on this issue be?

If you'd like to defend it in the OT, please feel free, though I feel it will be unpopular

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http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...057#post3309057

	24-09-2004 20:45									#26
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voting'll close in about 3 days more or less...

	06-10-2004 00:24									#27
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thanks to all who voted!

and anyone who registered pre-2000 and is interested in serving on a Veteran's Committee to induct psoters who no longer post here- please PM me or state your interest in this thread.

	06-10-2004 00:24									#28
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1) Current Standings (The Previous Votes’ add-ins are in brackets) a
These are all the people who made the last List, but were not elected.
(136 posters going into the election)

(205 Posters receiving votes

1. Solo- [29] (42) 45---117
2. El Awrence- [35] (36) 45---116
3. Spiffor- [34] (39) 43---116

alexman [16] (40) 59--105

Samson- [34] (26) 41---102

Kramsib- [37] (30) 32—100

DarkCloud- [26] (30) 37—93

Googlie- [23] (27) 35---85

Immortal Wombat- [37] (21) 23—81

Master Zen- [26] (20) 32—78

Berzerker- [7] (23) 43--72
Theseus- [12] (25) 35—72

WesW- [16] (30) 24--70
Fez/Giancarlo- [12] (29) 18-- 70

Jasev- [31] (16) 16--63

Yaroslav- [27] (18) 13--60

Harlan- [27] (19) 13--- 59

Ted Striker- (19) 38--56
Skanky Burns-[15] (17) 23--56

Dr Strangelove- [18] (14) 20---52
Paddy the Scot- (25) 27---52

Dominae- [4] (19) 25—48

La Fayette- [4] (13) 30--47

OzzyKP- [9] (19) 18---46

Jamski- [9] (16) 20---45
Mr. Ogre- [36] (6) 3---45

loinburger- [4] (18) 22---44

Togas- [16] (20) 7---43

Urban Ranger- [29] (6) 6---41

Dr Spike- [13] (7) 20--40
Sagacious Dolphin/Big Crunch/Dauphin- [19] (11) 9--40

MLeonard- -----[14] (10) 15---39

Alinestra Covelia [14] (10) 14---38

Malevolent Light- [8] (14) 15—37
Kassiopeia- [10] (10) 17---37

MrWhereItsAt- [14] (16) 4---34

korn469- ---- [11] (16) 6—33
Shi Huangdi- [10] (13) 10---33
Zeus_of_Olimpos- [4] (25) 4---33

Hexagonian- [5] (6) 20---31

Pekka- [3] (10) 16---29

Azazel (Dalgetti)- [6] (12) 10--28
st_swithin- [25] (3)---28
MrFun- [7] (11) 10---28
Molly Bloom- [12] (2) 14---28

Beta- [14] (3) 10--27
Tiamat- (14) 13---27
Ogie Oglethorpe- [6] (7) 15---27

deity- [10] (8) 7--25

The Slayer- (24)
Catt- [8] (15)—24
Arrian [4] (12) 8---24

vmxa1---[3] (12) 8—23
Techumseh- [11] (4) 8---23
Wittlich- [6] (14) 3---23
Sn00py- [10] (6) 7---23

ChrisiusMaximus- [3] (10) 9---22
Pyaray- [19] (3)---22
Chilean President---[4] (16) 2--22

Solver- (13) 8---21
Sprayber – [13] (4) 4---21
UberKrux- [7] (14)-- 21

cavebear- [10] (8) 2—20
Oerdin- [9] (3) 8--20

Comrade Tassadar- [4] (10) 5---19
Frustrated Poet- [5] (8) 6—19

GePap- [6] (2) 10---18
GhengisFarb- [13] (5)—18
Agathon---[3] (4) 11--18

Jon Miller- [8] (7) 2---17
Snowflake/HongHu- [1] (3) 13---17

CivNation (AKA DefensorFidei)- [8] (4) 4---16

Lefty Scaevola- (11) 4---15
SlowThinker-(9) 6---15
vondrack- [3] (10) 2--15
Sava- [3] (12)--15

MariOne- [5] (9)--14

SKILORD- [3] (8) 2---13
PLATO- [3] (7) 3—13

Drake Tungsten- 12
Rommel2D- 12
Post Count Zero- [4] (4) 4---12
MarkusF- [4] (4) 4---12

David Floyd- [4] (7)---11
Sikander- (11)
Dissident- 11
Kaak- [6] (1) 4---11

Venom- [3] (7)—10
Lincoln- [4] (4) 2—10
Ned- 10
Quinns----[6] (4)—10
Drogue- [4] (2) 4---10
Arnelos- [2] (8)---10

vovan- (7) 2---9
Fried-Psitalon- [4] (3) 2---9
Frankychan- [6] (3)---9
Zopperoni---[7] (2)---9

Tau Ceti- (8)
finbar- [3] (2) 3—8
Boann- (4) 4---8
Mercator- 8
Kody- [1] (3) 4—8
fairline- 8

E_T- (7)
Ljube-Ljcvetko- 7
Archaic- [3] (4)---7
Theben- 7
Aqualung71- 7

alva- (4) 2---6
Exile- 6
Coracle-(3) 3---6
devilmunchkin- [3] (3)---6
Frozzy- [2] (4)---6
100. Crimson Sunrise- [3] (3) ---6
Bongo- (3) 3--6
civman2000- [3] (3)---6

ducki- (5)
Jaguar- (2) 3---5
mindseye- (2) 3---5
Keygen- (2) 3---5
joncha- (2) 3—5
Aeson- [2] (3)—5
Hydro- 5

Lorizael- (4)
Mr Baggins- (4)
Rasputin- (4)
monolith94- (4)
BaronO- (4)
Smash- (4)
Blake- 4
Dale- [2] (2)---4
Eli- 4
Red Trotskyite- 4
TheBirdMan- [2] (2)---4
Guynemer- 4
nbarclay- 4
curtsibling- 4
Niessuh- (2) 2—4
academia- 4
tnapoleon- 4
GeoModder- 4
Darsnan- 4
WRW- [1] (3)--4

hemical Ollie- (3)
raingoon- (3)
Lonestar- (3)
jimmytrick- (3)
CharlesBHoff- (3)
Gramphos- (3)
Verto- 3
Winston- 3
Serb- 3
Whaleboy- 3
Martin Gühmann- 3
Wigalf- 3
Makeo- 3
Natalinasmpf- 3
Gerar Dean- (2) 1---3
Smiley- 3
Adaigo- 3
Ari Rahikkala- 3

Sir Ralph-(2)
Elephant- (2)
Rhothaerill- (2)
Darius- (2)
CerberusIV-(2)
136. Flubber- (2)
Bloody Monk- 2
Kurious- 2
Harry Tuttle- 2
Rasbelin- 2
fanes7-2
DeepO- 2
Lawrence of Arabia- 2
Ben Kenobi- 2
Heresson- 2
jshelr- 2
El Mencey- 2
Buster- 2
happysunshine- 2


2) Who voted for Whom

-Jrabbit voted for: Bloody Monk (2), Berzerker (2), Solo (2)
aaglo voted for: Skanky Burns (3), Immortal Wombat (3), Kassiopeia (3)
academia voted for: El Awrence (3), Jasev (3), Master Zen (3)
Adagio voted for: HongHu (3), Ljube-Ljcvetko (3), Skanky Burns (3)
Agathon voted for: Spiffor (2), Molly Bloom (2), Ted Striker (2)
alexman voted for: Dominae (4), Rommel2D (4), Theseus (4)
Alinestra Covelia voted for: Googlie (3), Hydro (3), Harlan (3)
Alva voted for: Dauphin (3), Dissident (3), Frustrated Poet (3)
amidala voted for: Master Zen (2), Kramsib (2), El Awrence (2)
Andemagne voted for: DarkCloud (4), Pekka (4), Kassiopeia (4)
Arnelos voted for: alexman (2), dominae (2), togas (2)
Arrian voted for: alexman (3), Theseus (3), Dominae (3)
Asher voted for: Ted Striker (4), Loinburger (4), Spiffor (4)
Azazel voted for: Spiffor (3), Pekka (3), Giancarlo (3)
Ben Kenobi voted for: Solo (2), cavebear (2), Shi Huangdi (2)
Berzerker voted for: Ted Striker (4), Agathon (4), Ogie Oglethorpe (4)
Beta voted for: alexman (2), Paddy the Scot (2), vondrack (2)
Bloody Monk voted for: Solo (3), Samson (3), La Fayette (3)
bongo voted for: Paddy the Scot (4), Rommel2d (4), Aqualung71 (4)
Boshko voted for: Berzerker (4), loinburger (4), Shi Huangdi (4)
Brtndr4u voted for: Mleonard (3), Giancarlo (3), Tiamat (3)
Carloquillo voted for: Kramsib (2), Chilean President (2), Jasev (2)
Changmai Beagle voted for: Hexagonian (4), alexman (4), Sn00py (4)
chegitz guevara voted for: Giancarlo (3), Ned (3), Wigalf (3)
Chilean President voted for: El Awrence (3), Master Zen (3), Kramsib (3)
Chrisius Maximus voted for: Paddy the Scot (2), SKILORD (2), Vovan (2)
civman2000 voted for: DarkCloud (3), Togas (3), MasterZen (3)
Cold Wizard voted for: OzzyKP (3), Malevolent Light (3), Berzerker (3)
conmcb25 voted for: Beta (2), Togas (2), MrWhereItsAt (2)
curtsibling voted for: Exile (3), fairline (2), Harry Tuttle (2)
Cyrion voted for: Yaroslav (2), curtsibling (2), fairline (2)
DarkCloud voted for: Urban Ranger (3), El Awrence (3), Googlie (3)
Darsnan voted for: Googlie (3), Ogie Oglethorpe (3), Oerdin (3)
Dauphin voted for: Dissident (4), Ted Striker (4), Drake Tungsten (4)
David Floyd voted for: Berzerker (4), Tiamat (4), Lefty Scaevola (4)
DaveV voted for: LaFayette (4), Solo (4), Samson (4)
DAVOUT voted for: Spiffor (2), Molly Bloom (2), GePap (2)
debeest voted for: samson (3), solo (3), La Fayette (3)
Dissident voted for: Berzerker (3), Tiamat (3), Ted Striker (3)
Dominae voted for: alexman (2), Theseus (2), vmxa1 (2)
Drogue voted for: Spiffor (2), Rasbelin (2), Jamski (2)
DrSpike voted for: Jamski (3), Skanky Burns (3), Dauphin (3)
Dr Strangelove voted for: Azazel (4), Eli (4), Guynemer (4)
duke o’york voted for: Spiffor (3), Berzerker (3), El Awrence (3)
*El Awrence voted for: Jasev (4), Kramsib (4), Master Zen (4)
el mencey voted for: El Awrence (2), Kramsib (2), Master Zen (2)
Elephant voted for: Samson (2), Solo (2), Mercator (2)
FlameFlash voted for: Googlie (3), Adaigo (3), Keygen (3)
FrustratedPoet voted for: Skanky Burns (2), Dr Spike (2), alva (2)
g5harrison voted for: Academia (1), Gerar Dean (1), Kramsib (1)
GePap voted for: DarkCloud (3), Spiffor (3), Loinburger (3)
Gerar Dean voted for: El Awrence (2), Kramsib (2), MasterZen (2)
Gigante Verde voted for: El Awrence (1), Master Zen (1), Kramsib (1)
Grigor voted for: Solo (3), Samson (3), La Fayette (3)
Harry Tuttle voted for: Curt Sibling (2), Fariline (2), Yaroslav (2)
hexagonian voted for: WesW (4), Immortal Wombat (4), Solver (4)
Hercules voted for: Googlie (2), Snowflake (2), Darsnan (2)
Heresson voted for: joncha (3), Winston (3), Azazel (3)
Hydey voted for: Deity (3), finbar (3), makeo (3)
Illuminatus voted for: Googlie (2), Darsnan (2), Hydro (2)
Immortal Wombat voted for: WesW (3), Hexagonian (3), MrOgre (3)
Imran Siddiqui voted for: Spiffor (4), Ted Striker (4), MrFun (4)
ixnay voted for: DarkCloud (4), loinburger (4), Fez (4)
Jaguar voted for: Spiffor (3), Theseus (3), Ted Striker (3)
Jamski voted for: Skanky Burns (2), DrSpike (2), HongHu (2)
Japher voted for: Oerdin (2), DarkCloud (2), MrFun (2)
jasev voted for: El Awrence (3), Kramsib (3), Academia (3)
Jay Bee voted for: El Awrence (4), Jasev (4), Yaroslav (4)
J Byetheway voted for: WesW (3), Immortal Wombat (3), Hexagonian (3)
JCG voted for: Master Zen (2), Kramsib (2), El Awrence (2)
jm_ruiz voted for: El Awrence (2), Niessuh (2), Kramsib (2)
joncha voted for: Spiffor (2), Fez (2), Herresson (2)
JohnT voted for: Immortal Wombat(4), Agathon (4), Ogie Oglethorpe (4)
Jon Miller voted for: Zeus_of_Olimpos (4), Civnation (4), Post Count Zero (4)
Jonny voted for: Smiley (3), DrSpike (3), Skanky Burns (3)
Justinianum voted for: Mercator (2), Fairline (2), Yaroslav (2)
Kassiopeia voted for: Googlie (3), Alinestra Covelia (3), Immortal Wombat (3)
Kelzad voted for: Kramsib (2), El Mencey (2), El Awrence (2)
Konquest02 voted for: Theseus (2), Arrian (2)
Kramsib voted for: El Awrence (3), Jasev (3), Yaroslav (3)
Krill voted for: alexman (2), jshelr (2), DeepO (2)
Kuciwalker voted for: Jaguar (3), Comrade Tassadar (3), Verto (3)
La Fayette voted for: Solo (3), Samson (3), SlowThinker (3)
*Lazarus and the Gimp voted for: Chrisius Maximus (4), Alinestra Covelia (4), Molly Bloom (4)
lightblue voted for: Ted Striker (3), Loinburger (3), Pekka (3)
Ljube-ljcvetko voted for: Skanky Burns (2), Jamski (2), DrSpike (2)
Locutus voted for: WesW (4), Immortal Wombat (4), Harlan (4)
Lonestar voted for: Serb (3), Spiffor (3), Oerdin (3)
Mad Bomber voted for: alexman (2), Theseus (2), Arrian (2)
Main_Brain voted for: Jamski (2), Comrade Tassadar (2), vmxa1 (2)
MaleveolentLight voted for: Kaak (4), MarkusF (4), berserker (4)
Maquiladora voted for: WesW (3), Hexagonian (3), Martin Guhmann (3)
Makahlua voted for: Alexman (2), Dominae (2), Paddy the Scot (2)
Maniac voted for: Googlie (4), DarkCloud (4), GeoModder (4)
Manya voted for: El Awrence (2), Master Zen (2), Kramsib (2)
Martin Gühmann voted for: WesW (3), Immortal Wombat (3), Hexagonian (3)
McMeadows voted for: Alexman (4), Paddy the Scot (4), Rommel2D (4)
Mead voted for: Googlie (2), Buster (2), Kody (2)
Mercator voted for: tecumseh (4), Exile (4), Alinestra Covelia (4)
Method voted for: Kassiopeia (3), Immortal Wombat (3), Alinestra Covelia (3)
Micha voted for: Googlie (2), Kody (2), Snowflake (2)
mindseye voted for: Dr Strangelove (4), Molly Bloom (4), GePap (4)
Ming voted for: Berzerker (4), OzzyKP (4), Malevolent Light (4)
molly bloom voted for: Agathon (3), Whaleboy (3), Mindseye (3)
Monk voted for: Harlan Thompson (4)
monolith94 voted for: tnapoleon (4), Red Trotskyite (4), Mleonard (4)
Mr. Nice Guy voted for: Lincoln (2), Jon Miller (2), Ben Kenobi (2)
MrWhereItsAt voted for: alexman (3), Dominae (3), Paddy the Scot (3)
Ned voted for: Ogie Oglethorpe (4), Drake Tungsten (4), Blake (4)
Niessuh voted for: Master Zen (2), Kramsib (2), El Awrence (2)
Nikolai voted for: DarkCloud (3), DrSpike (3), korn469 (3)
oedo voted for: solo (3), spiffor (3), Ted Striker (3)
Ogie Oglethorpe voted for: Ned (4), Drake Tungsten (4), Berzerker (4)
Old n Slow voted for: La Fayette (2), Solo (2), samson (2)
OzzyKP voted for: Berzerker (4), MalevolentLight (4), Deity (4)
Paddy the Scot voted for: Chrisius Maximus (3), Bongo (3), Aqualung (3)
pchang voted for: Strangelove (4), Theben (4), Ted Striker (4)
Peaster voted for: Harlan (2), Samson (2), Solo (2)
PLATO voted for: Spiffor (2), nbarclay (2), vmxa1 (2)
Provost Harrison voted for: Big Crunch (3), Spiffor (3), Jamski (3)
rah voted for: Berzerker (4), Malevolent Light (4), OzzyKP (4)
Rasbelin votred for: Kassiopeia (4), Solver (4), Drogue (4)
Rhothaerill voted for: Beta (2), alexman (2), Theseus (2)
Richelieu voted for: Theben (3)
rjmatsleepers voted for: Solo (2), Samson (2), La Fayette (2)
Rommel2D voted for: Alexman (2), Dominae (2), Paddy the Scot (2)
Scouse Gits voted for: Solo (4), Samson (4), LaFayette (4)
Shogun Gunner voted for: Wittlich (3), Paddy the Scot (3), Beta (3)
Sirotnikov voted for: Sn00py (3), korn469 (3), Pekka (3)
Sir Ralph voted for: alexman (3), Theseus (3), Coracle (3)
Skanky Burns voted for: DrSpike (3), Jamski (3), FrustratedPoet (3)
SlowwHand voted for: Boann (4), Berzerker (4), Sprayber (4)
Snowflake voted for: Jamski (2), Skanky Burns (2), DrSpike (2)
solo voted for: Samson (3), LaFayette (3), SlowThinker (3)
Solomwi voted for: alexman (2), Theseus (2), Dominae (2)
Solver voted for: DarkCloud (4), WesW (4), Hexagonian (4)
Spaced Cowboy voted for: Skanky Burns (3), Jamski (3), DrSpike (3)
Sparrowhawk voted for: solo (4), Samson (4), La Fayette (4)
Spiffor voted for: Plato (3)l, Doc Strangelove (3), Azazel (3)
Stefu voted for: Ted Striker (4), loinburger (4), DarkCloud (4)
Straybow voted for: solo (4), Samson (4), googlie (4)
St Leo voted for: Tecumseh (4), Mercator (4), GePap (4)
Stuie voted for: alexman (3), Berzerker (3), Pekka (3)
Switch voted for: alexman (2), Theseus (2), vmxa1 (2)
Tall Stranger voted for: Alexman (2), Theseus (2), Dominae (2)
Ted Striker voted for: Dr. Strangelove (4), Berzerker (4), Dissident (4)
Theben voted for: HongHu (4), Jamski (4), Ljube-Ljcvetko (4)
The Emperor Fabulous voted for: Spiffor (4), Mleonard (4), MrFun (4)
Theseus voted for alexman (2), HappySunShine (2), fanes7 (2)
The Slayer voted for: Master Zen (2), Kramsib (2), El Awrence (2)
Trip voted for: DarkCloud (2), alexman (2), nbarclay (2)
unscratchedfoot voted for: Paddy the Scot (2), ChrisiusMaximus (2), Kurious (2)
Unspeakable Horror voted for: El Awrence (4), Master Zen (4), Dark Cloud (4)
Velociryx voted for: Googlie (4), Theseus (4), Arrian (4)
VJ voted for: Kassiopeia (3), Ari Rahikkala (3), Dr Strangelove (3)
Vlad Antlerkov voted for: Shi Huangdi (4), Theseus (4), Mleonard (4)
vmxa1 voted for: Urban Ranger (3), Dominae (3), alexman (3)
vondrack voted for: Fried-Psitalon (2), MrWhereItsAt (2), Dominae (2)
Wernazuma voted for: Natalinasmpf (3), Ned (3), Giancarlo (3)
Whaleboy voted for: Molly Bloom (2), Dr Strangelove (2), Lawrence of Arabia (2)
Wittlich voted for: Tiamat (3), Beta (3), Paddy the Scot (3)
Zenon voted for: Samson (2), Solo (2), La Fayette (2)

*Registered 1999

	06-10-2004 00:24									#29
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

The New Inductees

EL AWRENCE
Formerly known as Hodad, this Spanish Section Apolytoner was quite active in all of the Civ II sections and contributior to the Diplomacy games forum. He also frequented the OT in 2000 and provided fun in debates and other activities therein. He was also one of the founding members of the Spanish Civilization Forum. In recent years he has been most active in that section.

SPIFFOR
Civ3 player and all round nice OT Regular. Also French. and you know how hard it is to find a respectable Frenchman...

SOLO
Solo has long been active in CivII strategy forum and is the author of the Early Landing Strategy Guide. In addition to that, he discovered 16 turn city cycles governing automatic changes in city commodity supply and demand lists, and discovered numerous techniques to manipulate city commodity supply and demand, along with other strategic contributions to the Civ II community.

	06-10-2004 01:48									#30
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El Awrence!



Oh and the others too of course!
* Unspeakable Horror does the DL.. er... happy dance for Spiffor and Solo