14-11-2004 08:02									#211
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quote: Originally posted by pchang You need to stay awake long enough to catch the West Coast games.

I have. Cal is the best team I have seen play out on that coast. They should have beat USC. The fact is that they didn't and that makes it impossible to put them ahead of an undefeated likely SEC champion. USC is vastly overrated IMHO. They show brilliance against weak opponents but seem to play poorly against stiff competetion.

After today's display, that obviously isn't the case for the Tigers.

	14-11-2004 08:09									#212
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quote: Originally posted by Grandpa Troll Well..I am an ACC (which means zioppo this year) follower How does their schedule match up with Auburn? (USC & Oklahoma) Thanks Gramps

USC:

Aug 28 at Virginia Tech W, 24-13
Sep 11 vs Colorado State W, 49-0
Sep 18 at BYU W, 42-10
Sep 25 at Stanford W, 31-28
Oct 9 vs California W, 23-17
Oct 16 vs Arizona State W, 45-7
Oct 23 vs Washington W, 38-0
Oct 30 at Washington State W, 42-12
Nov 6 at Oregon State W, 28-20
Nov 13 vs Arizona 10:15 PM
Nov 27 vs Notre Dame 8:00 PM
Dec 4 at UCLA 4:30 PM

Oklahoma:

Sep 4 vs Bowling Green W, 40-24
Sep 11 vs Houston W, 63-13
Sep 18 vs Oregon W, 31-7
Oct 2 vs Texas Tech W, 28-13
Oct 9 vs Texas W, 12-0
Oct 16 at Kansas State W, 31-21
Oct 23 vs Kansas W, 41-10
Oct 30 at Oklahoma State W, 38-35
Nov 6 at Texas A&M W, 42-35
Nov 13 vs Nebraska 7:00 PM
Nov 20 at Baylor 12:00 PM

Auburn:

Sep 4 vs Louisiana Monroe W, 31-0
Sep 11 at Mississippi St. W, 43-14
Sep 18 vs LSU W, 10-9
Sep 25 vs The Citadel W, 33-3
Oct 2 at Tennessee W, 34-10
Oct 9 vs Louisiana Tech W, 52-7
Oct 16 vs Arkansas W, 38-20
Oct 23 vs Kentucky W, 42-10
Oct 30 at Mississippi W, 35-14
Nov 13 vs Georgia W, 24-6
Nov 20 at Alabama 3:30 PM

	14-11-2004 08:10									#213
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I went to Cal, so of course I am biased. But.....
every team has close calls, but what counts is getting the win. Oklahoma's cornerbacks are suspect. I think they would get beat by a team that can pass protect and go long (like USC and Cal). I do not see any obvious weaknesses in USC. In addition, USC has the greatest team speed I have seen. If I had a vote, it would be
1. USC
2. Auburn
3. OU
4. Cal
It is my fervent hope that USC and Auburn meet in the national championship game (and that way, Cal gets to go to the Rose Bowl).

	14-11-2004 08:12									#214
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quote: Nov 13 vs Nebraska 7:00 PM

That should be "Nov 13 vs Nebraska W, 30-3"...

	14-11-2004 08:15									#215
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO USC: Aug 28 at Virginia Tech W, 24-13 Sep 11 vs Colorado State W, 49-0 Sep 18 at BYU W, 42-10 Sep 25 at Stanford W, 31-28 Oct 9 vs California W, 23-17 Oct 16 vs Arizona State W, 45-7 Oct 23 vs Washington W, 38-0 Oct 30 at Washington State W, 42-12 Nov 6 at Oregon State W, 28-20 Nov 13 vs Arizona 10:15 PM Nov 27 vs Notre Dame 8:00 PM Dec 4 at UCLA 4:30 PM Oklahoma: Sep 4 vs Bowling Green W, 40-24 Sep 11 vs Houston W, 63-13 Sep 18 vs Oregon W, 31-7 Oct 2 vs Texas Tech W, 28-13 Oct 9 vs Texas W, 12-0 Oct 16 at Kansas State W, 31-21 Oct 23 vs Kansas W, 41-10 Oct 30 at Oklahoma State W, 38-35 Nov 6 at Texas A&M W, 42-35 Nov 13 vs Nebraska 7:00 PM Nov 20 at Baylor 12:00 PM Auburn: Sep 4 vs Louisiana Monroe W, 31-0 Sep 11 at Mississippi St. W, 43-14 Sep 18 vs LSU W, 10-9 Sep 25 vs The Citadel W, 33-3 Oct 2 at Tennessee W, 34-10 Oct 9 vs Louisiana Tech W, 52-7 Oct 16 vs Arkansas W, 38-20 Oct 23 vs Kentucky W, 42-10 Oct 30 at Mississippi W, 35-14 Nov 13 vs Georgia W, 24-6 Nov 20 at Alabama 3:30 PM

well..at least we have One thing in common with USC
N C State beat Virginia Tech..um..well..Brandon Pace missed a last minute field goal giving the Wolfpack a Win

	14-11-2004 08:19									#216
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1. Auburn
2. USC
3. Utah
4. Oklahoma
5. California
6. Michigan

And then there is a huge, HUGE dropoff to whoever number 7 is. Depending on my mood, what I had to eat for dinner, and the phase of the moon, it could be either Texas, Wisconsin, Boise State, or Louisville.


I honestly think that 1-6, it is nigh impossible to determine which team is best. Cal and Michigan are at the bottom simply because they have a loss to their credit, but both could easily beat any of the undefeated teams. Oklahoma's defense has been suspect (giving up 3 points to Nebraska proves nothing), which is why I have them at #4, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see them win the National Championship.


The National Championship game should be great this year, but if the Rose Bowl ends up being Cal vs. Michigan, I guarantee that will end up being the most exciting, well-played game of the BCS.

	14-11-2004 08:22									#217
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quote: Originally posted by pchang It is my fervent hope that USC and Auburn meet in the national championship game (and that way, Cal gets to go to the Rose Bowl).

Mine to. i would love to see a Michigan-Cal matchup. Of course, I love anyone who makes the BIG preTENders look bad.

	14-11-2004 08:24									#218
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer 1. Auburn 2. USC 3. Utah 4. Oklahoma 5. California 6. Michigan and then there is a huge, HUGE dropoff to whoever number 7 is. Depending on my mood, what I had to eat for dinner, and the phase of the moon, it could be either Texas, Wisconsin, Boise State, or Louisville.

The only question I would have is Utah. They are untested against first level competition. They do have a good team though.

	14-11-2004 08:26									#219
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I grant they haven't played the level of competition the other top six teams have, but no team has looked more dominant week in and week out. That's why I give them the nod over Oklahoma.

	14-11-2004 08:27									#220
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With Wisconsin and Georgia losing, Utah will definitely climb back into the top 6 BCS rankings. We will see how Utah does against a top rate school in their bowl game.

I hope they win since that will raise more public outcry for a playoff.

	14-11-2004 08:28									#221
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer I grant they haven't played the level of competition the other top six teams have, but no team has looked more dominant week in and week out. That's why I give them the nod over Oklahoma.

I guess that it would be hard to disagree with that, but it is still a huge question IMO.

	14-11-2004 08:31									#222
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I don't disagree with you. It is a huge question.

If they win out, they will absolutely DESTROY whatever piece of trash the Big East sends to the BCS. (Assuming that's what the matchup will be, which seems likely.)

	14-11-2004 08:33									#223
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Well, if Utah's BCS opponent is the Big East winner, I take back my previous post. Big East sucks donkey balls this year.

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Utah's Schedule:

Sep 2 vs Texas A&M W, 41-21
Sep 11 at Arizona W, 23-6
Sep 18 at Utah State W, 48-6
Sep 25 vs Air Force W, 49-35
Oct 1 at New Mexico W, 28-7
Oct 16 vs North Carolina W, 46-16
Oct 23 vs UNLV W, 63-28
Oct 30 at San Diego State W, 51-28
Nov 6 vs Colorado State W, 63-31
Nov 13 at Wyoming 7:00 PM
Nov 20 vs BYU TBA



The Big East does suck, but it is likely to provide Utah's stiffest test of the season.

	14-11-2004 08:46									#225
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I don't think Utah will get a BCS berth. Georgia was ranked lower in the standings.

Michigan will jump ahead of Utah, you watch.

Utah will go to the Liberty Bowl and play Louisville. Which should be a very fun game to watch.....but not as lucrative as a BCS game.

I am a Utes fan, BTW.

ACK!

	14-11-2004 12:10									#226
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quote: Wonder how our west coast apolytoners feel??

That finally they get to stick it to the East Coast bias?

quote: How does their schedule match up with Auburn? (USC & Oklahoma)

It depends on how you measure it, but in most Strength of Schedule rankings, Oklahoma is above both USC and Auburn. And in the computer polls of the BCS, Oklahoma is their #1.

	14-11-2004 20:13									#227
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui It depends on how you measure it, but in most Strength of Schedule rankings, Oklahoma is above both USC and Auburn. And in the computer polls of the BCS, Oklahoma is their #1.

Yeah, but Oklahoma's Strength of Schedule took a big hit yesterday when they played one of those wimply IAA bottom feeder teams.

I just hope they can finish the season unbeaten, they still have one game left.

	14-11-2004 23:31									#228
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I wonder why teams play those crappy 1-AA teams when they can just play some crappy 1-A teams, which may be just as bad, and not take as much of a hit.

	15-11-2004 02:04									#229
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It was a joke, Imran.

OK played Nebraska yesterday, not a 1-AA team.

However, NE covered!

(the spread was OK by 30, they only won by 27).

	15-11-2004 02:20									#230
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT It was a joke, Imran. OK played Nebraska yesterday, not a 1-AA team. However, NE covered! (the spread was OK by 30, they only won by 27).

In response to you offering a drink I dont normally take.. A TALL GLASS OF STFU? ..

I offer a free promo on my Radio Station..



W G R A


Now this was meant as a joke John T..

Gramps

	15-11-2004 02:58									#231
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Oh, you meant my earlier post... not the one you actually responded to.

quote: Now this was meant as a joke John T..

As was the other. Did you not see the smilie?

	15-11-2004 03:27									#232
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT GT: How 'bout a nice tall glass of STFU?

um..looks like a growl to me..

	15-11-2004 03:31									#233
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But look at the smilie in the header... That's the one that tells you how to view the entire post.

	15-11-2004 03:46									#234
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT But look at the smilie in the header... That's the one that tells you how to view the entire post.

	15-11-2004 03:49									#235
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quote: However, NE covered!

Did you see how they covered? 47 yard run by the fullback (his first carry of the season) followed by a last second field goal to avoid the shutout!!!

	15-11-2004 08:43									#236
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With apologies to JohnT... that felt good. Damn good. It made the painful drive back home from Auburn today a little bit more bearable.

Right now, though I didn't get to see much non-SEC ball yesterday, my top 10 would look like this:

1. Auburn
2. USC
3. Oklahoma
4. Utah
5. Michigan
6. Cal
7. Texas
8. Florida State
9. Georgia
10. Wisconsin

The first four are obviously pretty cut and dried, and pretty much any order of them could have a valid argument made for it. Cal is good, but I just can't shake the thought that their biggest win is their one loss. Thus, I'm not completely sold on them. Of the three one-loss teams, Texas, Cal and Michigan, I think the Wolverines are the most complete team and playing the best ball.

This is a fun season, regardless of how the picture shakes out.

	15-11-2004 08:50									#237
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I want all the unbeatens to remain so until the end of the season. I want as much pressure to scrap the current BCS system as possible.

	15-11-2004 08:55									#238
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As to give the NCAA a chance to think of an even worse "solution"?

I don't see much talk about the Ohio State situation. If they are as guilty as Mo Clarrett and friends say, what should be their punishment? Removal of the National Championship and forfeiting their entire 2001(?) schedule? The Death Penalty? ( )

And who regrets having Clarrett on that team more: The coach or the AD?

	15-11-2004 08:59									#239
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There are former players who weren't even their when Clarett was there who confirm his allegations. I believe Ohio State is guilty. However, the death penalty should be reserved for serious repeat offenders. Take away their National Championship and a bunch of scholarships for the next few years.

	15-11-2004 09:02									#240
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I'm kind of confused about your position, Pchang:

quote: However, the death penalty should be reserved for serious repeat offenders.

but right before that you say

quote: There are former players who weren't even their when Clarett was there who confirm his allegations.

Given that they blatantly (allegedly) violated the rules for a number of years, doesn't that call for the DP?