14-09-2004 10:18									#1
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when dealing with the Western Allies, the Germans treated prisoners according to the convention, didn't attack the Red Cross, didn't use poison gas or exploding bullets... yet didn't grant the same honours to the Russians, not to mention the whole issue of the holocaust.

So why? Why did the Germans follow the Convention when dealing with the Brits and Americans when they so obviously didn't care about human rights in regards to other groups?

	14-09-2004 10:22									#2
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Well the Brits they regarded as a race (almost) equal to their own.

Hitler held the British in high regards.

Now can I get a hell yeah on that East Asian pootang Speer??!?!

	14-09-2004 10:23									#4
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GENEVA... my bad.

	14-09-2004 10:23									#5
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Yes, the Nazis looked down on the "eastern peoples" and Jews especially as inferior. They didn't have much love for the West, but they at least saw them as "more human."

	14-09-2004 10:26									#6
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my question is why would a State that clearly didn't care about human rights go out of its way to follow the geneva convention when dealing with the Brits and Americans, especially as they didn't follow the convention when dealing with the Russians? Was it to ensure their POW's own protection in Allied hands? But then the Japanese didn't give a damn about the convention and Jap prisoners in American hands weren't butchered.

	14-09-2004 10:28									#7
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Hitler was looking to get peace with the western powers at a possible later date

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	14-09-2004 10:29									#8
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Well, it wasn't so much that the Nazis didn't care about "human rights" - they didn't, as you or I would understand or define them, but they did according to their definitions. That CERTAINLY doesn't justify anything they did - let's be crystal clear about that. It does, I think, give some perspective on why they treated different groups differently.

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NAZI APOLOGIST!

	14-09-2004 10:39									#11
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How did they deal with captured American soldiers who happened to be jewish? black? asian? hispanic?

	14-09-2004 10:42									#12
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That's actually a good question.

	14-09-2004 10:45									#13
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Did you guys watch the Tuskegee Airmen?

In the US, they had captured German POW's on the train, but the black US airmen had to wait for them to board first and the Germans got better seats.

Kinda messed up!

	14-09-2004 10:47									#14
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it's crazy how Spanish and Asians were integrated into the regular military (was there ever even a division to begin with?) while Blacks weren't.

	14-09-2004 10:48									#15
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It's not like American POWs were so well treated in Germany. Many of them looked like they'd been in the death camps when they were liberated, and many were also used for slave labor.

	14-09-2004 10:48									#16
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That part of US history makes me sick.

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quote: It's not like American POWs were so well treated in Germany. Many of them looked like they'd been in the death camps when they were liberated, and many were also used for slave labor.

In some cases, yes. In general, though, US (and Brit and Canadian) POWs (especially officers) were far better treated than other nationalities. Additionally, there is a difference between prisoners captured and held by the SS and those held in Luftstalags by the Luftwaffe.

	14-09-2004 10:51									#18
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chegitz:

almost every account i've read was positive... the pilot author of "Tumult in the Skies", whose name i forget as i read the book 6 years ago, noted how he was allowed to be freed of his handcuffs and wander about the town as long as he swore on his honour that he would return to his captors later in the day. he refused but still saw plays and movies with his guards. he was a major or colonel in the air force though, so that would explain his good treatment.

	14-09-2004 10:52									#19
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quote: it's crazy how Spanish and Asians were integrated into the regular military (was there ever even a division to begin with?) while Blacks weren't.

Well, the Japanese were certainly segregated in WW2. The 442d RCT, which served primarily with 5th Army in Italy, was the most decorated unit of the war, and was made up entirely of soldiers of Japanese descent.

Had the war gone on longer - had the US needed more infantry, that is - I think that it's likely blacks would have been integrated in, especially once Truman took office. If, say, the war dragged on through 1946, the US would have been getting short on trained combat infantry (much of available US manpower was tied up in stateside support roles and industrial occupations, as well as the Navy and Army Air Corps).

	14-09-2004 10:53									#20
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Speaking of US POWs, there are some remarkable stories of US and British POWs liberated by the Soviets, who went to great pains to protect German (and Polish) civilians and even soldiers from the Soviet army.

	14-09-2004 10:54									#21
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd In some cases, yes. In general, though, US (and Brit and Canadian) POWs (especially officers) were far better treated than other nationalities.

Well come on, if you're comparing them to how they Nazis treated the Slavs . . . well it's not hard to treat someone better than that.

	14-09-2004 10:56									#22
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That's exactly my point, chegitz. There was a marked difference in the treatment of Slavs and Jews vs. Americans/Brits, and part of the reason for that had to do with the way the Nazis defined humanity and human rights.

	14-09-2004 10:58									#23
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My uncle was a bomber pilot who was murdered by a mob of German civilians. I know that doesn't prove anything. Just thought I'd mention it.

	14-09-2004 11:01									#24
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Well, the crews of bombers were seen as terrorists, essentially. Bomber crews were defined and treated differently - and, while I'm sympathetic to the US/Brit bomber crews, orders to carpet bomb and firebomb cities are orders that should be refused.

	14-09-2004 11:09									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Well the Brits they regarded as a race (almost) equal to their own. Hitler held the British in high regards. Now can I get a hell yeah on that East Asian pootang Speer??!?!

harr harr harr.

	14-09-2004 11:10									#26
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It was a matter of race. Hitler saw the western powers as being racially like the Germans while the Slavs, Jews, and others were slated for extermination.

	14-09-2004 11:35									#27
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara My uncle was a bomber pilot who was murdered by a mob of German civilians. I know that doesn't prove anything. Just thought I'd mention it.

Honest question. How did your family find out the circumstances of his end?

	14-09-2004 12:07									#28
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I never saw Colonel Klink so much as raise a hand at Hogan. They all seemed rather cosy to me.

	14-09-2004 12:35									#29
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While it is true that Western POWS were better treated than the Russians, it should be remembered that hundreds of thousands of western POWs worked as slave laborers.

Jewish POWS, and those who "looked" like jews or had Jewish sounding names were sent to concentration camps.

	14-09-2004 13:08									#30
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quote: It's not like American POWs were so well treated in Germany. Many of them looked like they'd been in the death camps when they were liberated, and many were also used for slave labor.

That commonly happens when a country is losing a war and resources are running low, the same thing happened at the Confederate's POW camp at Andersonville. I understand the guy in charge was so desperate he told Lincoln to come get the POWs (or was it a POW exchange). Lincoln refused I guess...