17-09-2004 05:16									#91
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Dancing around a burning vehicle about to be blown up however is.

I would define that as natuaral selection in progress.

	17-09-2004 05:24									#92
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Dancing around a burning vehicle about to be blown up however is.

And they were supposed to know it was going to be blown up how?

	17-09-2004 05:26									#93
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You would have to be remarkably stupid to not suspect fire around explosives and gasoline would cause an explosion.

	17-09-2004 05:29									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Geronimo Two? are you really that stupid? only the two ****tards who had the banner were really terrorist sympathiser?

I don't know if any of them were terrorists. I know two guys were waving a flag. They might have been terrorists. They might have been guerillas. As for the crowd itself, they were most likely people who lived in the neighborhood. If a enemy tank was destroyed in my neighborhood, you can be sure I'd be curious about it at the least, and happy it was destroyed at best.

quote: The point of the thing should've been to disrupt the terrorist's camera opp of showing how they were defeating the infidels.

Killing unarmed civilians does not pacify a country.

	17-09-2004 05:31									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar You would have to be remarkably stupid to not suspect fire around explosives and gasoline would cause an explosion.

I would expect, since the vehical was already blown up, that the ordinence and fuel had already been destroyed. It's not like I've been trained in such things.

	17-09-2004 06:09									#96
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lets do the sensible thing and set up concentration camps for the A-rabs.

	17-09-2004 06:12									#97
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 lets do the sensible thing and set up concentration camps for the A-rabs.

Musselmen, MRT, Musselmen. Get it right.

	17-09-2004 06:15									#98
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im just saying since everyone there is clearly a terrorist or terrorist sympasizer(my own play on synthesizer and sympathiser) we should just round them all up and imprison them.

	17-09-2004 06:31									#99
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara quote: Originally posted by Geronimo Two? are you really that stupid? only the two ****tards who had the banner were really terrorist sympathiser? I don't know if any of them were terrorists. I know two guys were waving a flag. They might have been terrorists. They might have been guerillas. As for the crowd itself, they were most likely people who lived in the neighborhood. If a enemy tank was destroyed in my neighborhood, you can be sure I'd be curious about it at the least, and happy it was destroyed at best. quote: The point of the thing should've been to disrupt the terrorist's camera opp of showing how they were defeating the infidels. Killing unarmed civilians does not pacify a country.

Nothing we can do will pacify the country except possibly leaving. There are far more people there who hate us as much as is possible but haven't seen fit to take up arms because they don't expect it would make much difference than there are who expect taking up arms would make a difference but don't hate us.

We should be more worried about appearing vulnerable than about seeming insensitive to unarmed terrorist parties thrown over our attacked and burning vehicles.

	17-09-2004 06:33									#100
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 im just saying since everyone there is clearly a terrorist or terrorist sympasizer(my own play on synthesizer and sympathiser) we should just round them all up and imprison them.

If we are going to round up all the people who wave terrorist banners and dance around our burning tanks so we can dispose of them in an orderly fashion why not just shoot them outright to begin with and dispense with the superfluous camps?

	17-09-2004 07:12									#101
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara And they were supposed to know it was going to be blown up how?

According to Lonestar, it's SOP.

	17-09-2004 07:13									#102
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So only if it happened near you before would you know, as I doubt Iraqis really know US SOP.

	17-09-2004 21:05									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Geronimo If we are going to round up all the people who wave terrorist banners and dance around our burning tanks so we can dispose of them in an orderly fashion why not just shoot them outright to begin with and dispense with the superfluous camps?

good idea. but why wait for them to wave flags. we need preemptive strikes against would be sympathizers.

	17-09-2004 22:16									#104
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We sure are winning their hearts and minds.

	17-09-2004 23:38									#105
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 good idea. but why wait for them to wave flags. we need preemptive strikes against would be sympathizers.

Well to be honest, I only support killing sympathisers who take actions that make them at least superficially appear to be directly responsible for successful attacks on the coaltion or iraqi civilians and police. The point, as I mentioned earlier, isn't to pre-emptively take out sympathisers. The pool of that group is already too large for anything we do to make any difference. No. The point is to disrupt activities that suggest that the insurgents are able to defeat the coalition.

Remember an insurgent must not only hate the coalition (millions of Iraqis already surely do) they must also believe they can take action that will make a difference against the occupation. Once they posses both of those qualities they are pretty much already a 'terrorist' (if they never target civilians they are simply a partisan insurgent not a terrorist imho) they are just waiting for the right opportunity to take action.

It would be pointless, for instance, to take out a parade that was simply marching up and down the street waving placards denouncing the coalition because in no way could such activity suggest that participating in violent insurgency would make any progress towards ending the occupation. If however said parade were to drag the remains of dead coalition soldiers or participate in a photo opp around a burning coalition vehicle the perception can easily be created that the 'parade' is an example of insurgents defeating the coalition. That would be a dangerous situation.

So to take your idea, of killing all iraqis under all circumstances, this would quickly defeat the stated purpose of such operations because it would soon be obvious that not opposing the coalition is just as futile as opposing it would be. At that point the self preservation instinct goes out the window as a factor in the equation.

Even if you limited yourself to only killing iraqis who expressed hatred of the coalition I doubt that would have much effect as such measures simply transfer the communication from highly public visible channels to even higher volume of traffic on less visible channels. The only effect it would have is reducing (slightly) the pool of those who wish to publicly vent their hatred of the Coalition. But since such people aready number in the millions this won't have much effect on security. Even worse, given that such public and visibly impotent demonstrations can allow people to vent a bit of their hatred safely, killing all who do so will simply remove this harmless outlet for their frustrations.