14-09-2004 10:55									#1
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At least 37 people were killed in Baghdad alone. Many of them died when a U.S. helicopter fired on a disabled U.S. Bradley fighting vehicle as Iraqis swarmed around it, cheering, throwing stones and waving the black and yellow sunburst banner of Iraq's most-feared terror organization.

The dead from the helicopter strike included Arab television reporter Mazen al-Tumeizi, who screamed, ``I'm dying, I'm dying,'' as a cameraman recorded the chaotic scene. An Iraqi cameraman working for the Reuters news agency and an Iraqi freelance photographer for Getty Images were wounded.

Maimed and lifeless bodies of young men and boys lay in the street as the stricken U.S. vehicle was engulfed in flames and thick black smoke.

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I have to say, it's morbidly funny. How ****ing stupid do you have to be dancing around a damaged american vehicle (which you're looting), when Americans are known for blowing stuff up to prevent it from getting in the wrong hands, and then you Fire on orbiting gunships?

	14-09-2004 10:56									#2
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An U.S. Bradley Fighting Vehicle burns at Haifa Street in Baghdad, Iraq,

Sunday Sept. 12, 2004.


A U.S. Bradley armored vehicle burns in street following heavy clashes in the center of the Iraqi capital Baghdad, September 12, 2004. Strong explosions shook central Baghdad at dawn and heavy fighting erupted in a street notorious as a rebel stronghold, in violence that killed at least 22 Iraqis, the U.S. army and witnesses said.


Friends and colleagues of Mazen Tomeizi carry his coffin ahead of a memorial procession in front of the Al-Arabiya office in Baghdad, September 13, 2004. Tomeizi, a Palestinian producer with Dubai-based Al Arabiya TV channel, was killed on Sunday as a U.S. helicopter fired at a group of Iraqis around a burning U.S. Bradley armored vehicle in one of Baghdad's main streets, witnesses said.


An Iraqi boy throws a stone on a burning US Bradley during clashes in Haifa Street in the heart of the Iraqi capital.


A man is helped on to the top of a burning U.S. Bradley Fighting Vehicle at Haifa Street in Baghdad, Iraq (news - web sites), Sunday Sept. 12, 2004


People cheer as they climb up on a burning U.S. Bradley Fighting Vehicle at Haifa Street in Baghdad, Iraq


A supporter of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi displays his flag near a burning U.S. Bradley Fighting Vehicle at Haifa street in Baghdad, Iraq (news - websites), Sunday Sept. 12, 2004. Fighting broke out early in the morning between U.S. troops and insurgents and lasted for nearly 90 minutes as U.S. soldiers fired from positions behind walls and trees along Haifa Street. (AP Photo/Hussein Malla)


A supporter of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, far right, holds his flag as a crowd of people cheer near a burning U.S. Bradley Fighting Vehicle at Haifa Street in Baghdad, Iraq


An Iraqi man checks a burning US Bradley vehicle during clashes between US troops and insurgents in Haifa Street in the heart of the Iraqi capital.









An injured man is carried away after U.S. helicopters fired missiles at a crowd of people cheering near a burning U.S. Bradley Fighting Vehicle at Haifa street in Baghdad, Iraq

	14-09-2004 10:56									#3
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Already a thread on this.

	14-09-2004 11:01									#4
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jesus christ, this could turn out to be pr nightmare. we coulda just lost the hearts and minds of iraq.

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do we know which terrorist organization did this? has anyone taken responsibility yet?

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i had something to say on this, but i don't want to start a flame war... that, and i'm not the most informed person onthe intricacies of middle-eastern society. best to keep my opinion to myself.

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aaahhh, this is poly, where everyone is an expert in everything.

	14-09-2004 11:33									#8
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not i. i'll actually admit my ignorance to many things.

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It's a surprise that gunships fired on the people dancing on the burning Bradley Fighting Vehicle at Haifa street in Baghdad, Iraq?

Who are they supposed to fire on during major combat? Those out for a picnic?

	14-09-2004 11:54									#10
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I don't blame them for firing on the people cheering the destruction of the bradley. Usually it's difficult to tell friend from enemy in this pointless war but when cheering people unfurl a terrorist banner and throw an impromptu party at the scene of an attack on your friends, suddenly it can be crystal clear.

Target of opportunity I'd say.

	14-09-2004 11:59									#11
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No ****. Opportunity to rid the world of a few of 'them'.

Good shot, I'd say.

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quote: I have to say, it's morbidly funny. How ****ing stupid do you have to be dancing around a damaged american vehicle (which you're looting), when Americans are known for blowing stuff up to prevent it from getting in the wrong hands, and then you Fire on orbiting gunships?

The idea that they were looting a clearly burning and destroyed vehicle strikes me as profoundly unlikely. And the article does not say that they were looting it; only that US soldiers feared it would get looted. Which isn't the same thing at all.

And who says that the gunships were fired on? The military. That's what they always say when civilians get killed; the crowd fired first. Of course, there's conveniently no way to prove that's what didn't happen.

Still, with all the journalists in the area, you'd have thought that at least one of them would be able to corroborate this story that the helicopters came under attack.

	14-09-2004 12:04									#13
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Considering the amount of fuel and ammo they carry, dancing on a burning Bradley is grounds for a Darwin, whether you're fired on or not...

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quote: Originally posted by Sandman The idea that they were looting a clearly burning and destroyed vehicle strikes me as profoundly unlikely. And the article does not say that they were looting it; only that US soldiers feared it would get looted. Which isn't the same thing at all. And who says that the gunships were fired on? The military. That's what they always say when civilians get killed; the crowd fired first. Of course, there's conveniently no way to prove that's what didn't happen. Still, with all the journalists in the area, you'd have thought that at least one of them would be able to corroborate this story that the helicopters came under attack.

Geez. We're in major combat. One of our vehicles is buring down there. Look! There's people waving a flag of the 'bad guys'. Let's let them have their peaceful gathering. NOT.

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quote: And who says that the gunships were fired on? The military. That's what they always say when civilians get killed; the crowd fired first. Of course, there's conveniently no way to prove that's what didn't happen.

You could conveniently start a conspiracy theory with, conveniently, no proof. Or chant "all military is evil".

quote: Originally posted by notyoueither We're in major combat. One of our vehicles is buring down there. Look! There's people waving a flag of the 'bad guys'. Let's let them have their peaceful gathering. NOT.

Exactly! It wasn't a solid white flag or an old Iraqi flag or some communist flag or a burning American flag... it was a flag for terrorism. They got their 15minutes of fame.

	14-09-2004 12:46									#16
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All well deserved. Anti-american forces will not prevail. They will all die.

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People dancing should definitely be shot.

Besides, you'd think the Iraqis would learn that if they go out on the streets than the Americans will probably shoot them.

And one of these days, journalists will realise that the US has an obvious tendency to accidentally shooting them. Oops, they shot another one.

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Those *****es will eventually learn.

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And if they don't, it doesn't matter.

Unarmed civilians are always valid targets in a war zone.

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But you only get the bonus points if you achieve the primary goal.

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i wonder if they will ever learn to stay inside when things start blowing up.

i don't approve of civilian casualties but if you go dancing on a burning vehicle full of ammo and fuel you're kinda asking for trouble.

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This will go on for years and years. Bring more body bags.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Stor...1303827,00.html

This guy was lucky to escape the scene with his life.

Makes me sick.

It's a vicious cycle, Americans kill/injure loads of civilians, Iraqis kill Americans, Americans retaliate and kill/injure another load of unarmed civilians, Iraqis want to kill more Americans and cheer / dance when they do.

Anyone celebrating helicopter gunships slaughtering civilians should be ashamed of themselves. Did you stop and think why they were celebrating in the first place?

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quote: Originally posted by Sandman Still, with all the journalists in the area, you'd have thought that at least one of them would be able to corroborate this story that the helicopters came under attack.

Only if they weren't killed by the gunships.

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And none of those Iraqis in the pictures are armed.

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In the old days, when war raged on some area, people used to evacuate, not throw parties, dancing and whatnot.

I wonder, if a cartridge from the bradley ignited, and the apache pilot thought they were fired upon?

	14-09-2004 18:31									#27
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Wonder if this will make them get further back while dancing around burning vehicles soon to be blown up. Morons.

	14-09-2004 18:51									#28
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And of course the chattering masses miss the point-no one in Iraq who does anything, for or against us, will say "dumb people-they deserved it". They will say "God damned American butchers".

So in the end, another PR hit, without any military significance for us whatsoever-hence a strategic defeat.

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Exactly.

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quote: Originally posted by Sandman And who says that the gunships were fired on? The military. That's what they always say when civilians get killed; the crowd fired first. Of course, there's conveniently no way to prove that's what didn't happen.

Sure there is. Listen to the tape that was being filmed when the Bradely was fired upon by the helicopter. Hmmm, no gun fire. Guess the military's lying.