13-10-2004 04:30									#31
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Well maybe that guy likes to use the word "dude" to express profound regret but I would think there are better words for such expression.

Clearly you are articulate every waking moment, regardless of the situation. For example, I once drove by the scene of a fairly severe automobile accident. Now, shockingly, my first reaction was "Oh crap."

Does my failure to use SAT-level vocabulary to express my emotions render me a heartless, cold blooded killer.

	13-10-2004 04:30									#32
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After watching the film I don't see any evidience of anyone taking joy or getting his jollies off. Instead I see a proffessional soldier/Airman doing his job as he has been trained to do.

	13-10-2004 04:33									#33
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I agree. In my opinion, part of the reason why soldiers/sailors/airmen are trained is to reduce emotional involvement during the job in hand. Frankly, if they thought about it so much at the time, they'd probably not be able to do the job. Thinking's for afterwards in my opinion.

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Not all people that pick up a weapon are smart enough to stay behind cover.

http://www.coreyandjayshow.com/tima...50%20frames.mpg

some more unfortionate causualities.

http://www.coreyandjayshow.com/tima...opter_Kills.mpg

	13-10-2004 04:34									#35
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Surely bombing a crowd in this manner definitely counts as an 'act of terror'?

	13-10-2004 04:36									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Surely bombing a crowd in this manner definitely counts as an 'act of terror'?

It depends on who comprises the crowd, doesn't it?

	13-10-2004 04:38									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber Not all people that pick up a weapon are smart enough to stay behind cover.

'Course they're not... I was merely paraphrasing some of the analysts that Channel 4 had on. Personally, I reckon it was probably guerrillas moving in a crowd of civilians to (hopefully) discourage US troops from firing on them. This happens quite often, especially in Somalia and the like. This could go some way towards explaining why the US Marines supposedly on the street corner didn't wipe them out.

	13-10-2004 04:38									#38
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I watched the video again and the only thing I heard was "impact" followed a second or two later by "oh, dude". "Oh, dude" is the modern English equivalent of saying "my god" and hardly means someone is getting their jollies off as some people have contended.

	13-10-2004 04:42									#39
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quote: Originally posted by vodkakov You ever heard of 'Bloody Sunday', Amritsar or Algeria to name but a few examples?

yeah, but come on, these cowards are bombing a fleeing crowd from what...5000 feet away?

	13-10-2004 04:43									#40
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Firebombing of Dresden then? Or perhaps British gassing and airstrikes on Iraqis in the 1920s? I hardly think the US has the monopoly on 'cowardly' acts of murder... after all the Europeans have been at it so much longer.

	13-10-2004 04:44									#41
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quote: Originally posted by laurentius yeah, but come on, these cowards are bombing a fleeing crowd from what...5000 feet away?

So technology makes it more horrendous?

Would you prefer if we dispatched commandos armed with machettes?

	13-10-2004 04:44									#42
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sure but imnot talking about atrocities commited 90 or 60 years ago

	13-10-2004 04:46									#43
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The point you made was that Europeans would not do this, I'm arguing that they have and do... European troops and aircraft are in Iraq too you know...

	13-10-2004 04:47									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Verto So technology makes it more horrendous? Would you prefer if we dispatched commandos armed with machettes?

yes, it the technology. Its easy to bomb people if they have no means of defending theirselves..its called cowardly

	13-10-2004 04:48									#45
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It's called sensible in war, technology helps you survive is worth it, in my opinion.

	13-10-2004 04:51									#46
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yeah and in few decades the cowards bomb other countries from space perhaps...*******s

Go meet them from eye to eye if you like killing people. Chicken bastards

	13-10-2004 04:53									#47
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Who said anything about liking killing people? If it's a choice between me or my men (btw I'm joining the Royal Navy after uni and am currently in the OTC) and the enemy coming home in a plastic bag, I'd say him anytime. If a piece of technology can help that, I'll take it.

	13-10-2004 04:55									#48
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Bah, so why dont you nuke the whole **** then ? What are you, a moron? surely not a warrior, they arent afraid of dying like you

	13-10-2004 04:57									#49
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Excuse me? What, just because I believe that if technology can help me survive, I'm a moron? Your logic is totally wacked. Next you'll be arguing in favour of just using sticks...

	13-10-2004 04:59									#50
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yeah, you think its ok to conduct war just because techonoly makes it more easier for you? You think its okay to bomb people from high above?

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quote: Originally posted by laurentius Bah, so why dont you nuke the whole **** then ? What are you, a moron? surely not a warrior, they arent afraid of dying like you

There is a difference between not wanting you and your own men to die, if it can be prevented, and being a coward and afraid of death.

Stop trolling, or at least do a better job of it.

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quote: Originally posted by laurentius yeah, you think its ok to conduct war just because techonoly makes it more easier for you? You think its okay to bomb people from high above?

Er... where did I say that I thought it was ok to conduct war? My posts all concerned the use of technology in a war, not whether that war was right. Frankly, if the people being bombed pose a threat, then they're a legitimate target in my view and you're dumb if you think otherwise.

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Verto: hehe its you with your unbelievable crap who are trolling. If I was still in the army, I would have some sence of pride not to use weapons like that. If its a worthy cause, i'm willing to die unlike you corrupt americans. Go eat your big macs

	13-10-2004 05:06									#54
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I'm NOT an American, I'm British, hence the flag! You're an idiot in my opinion if you're willing to let your own troops die just to fulfil some sense of 'fairness'... write that to their mothers...

	13-10-2004 05:09									#55
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quote: Originally posted by vodkakov Er... where did I say that I thought it was ok to conduct war? My posts all concerned the use of technology in a war, not whether that war was right. Frankly, if the people being bombed pose a threat, then they're a legitimate target in my view and you're dumb if you think otherwise.

What are you, stupid or something? How could these people appear threatening to you? People running away from a building like that are not a threat to anyone. Couple of machine guns would have done the job or a well trained units, perhaps you could have captured some POWs too. This is all under the assumption that they werent civilians.

Americans are cowards and they will pay the price one day for their atrocities

	13-10-2004 05:11									#56
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Er... I never said that either. I never made specific reference to the event in question in my arguments in favour of the use of technology in warfare. I spoke generally, not about any specific event. You were the one that believed that Europeans were incapable of such things, when any idiot knows they have the capability.

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And where have we used this capacity?

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Hmm, let me see, we have planes right? British Tornadoes were used in both Gulf Wars, and they weren't just there cause they look pretty... Britain is in Europe, or at least that's what my geography teacher said. NATO forces (including Europeans) were responsible for bombing Serbia too, so I think you'll find that there're plenty of examples.

	13-10-2004 05:15									#59
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Whatever the person who said 'oh dude' in the video was expressing it certainly doesn't sound like any kind of regret or sympathy. But so what? It's not like there will be more suffering or less suffering dependant on the attitude of the soldiers in these aircraft. I imagine some of them cope with the situation by objectifying their job as a kind of high stakes 'game' of sorts. 'Oh dude' was probably the same thing they would say nuking a city for the first time playing civ. What matters more would be if they never come to grips with what actually happened later on when the pressure is off and they can afford to let it impact them.

	13-10-2004 05:17									#60
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quote: Originally posted by laurentius What are you, stupid or something? How could these people appear threatening to you? People running away from a building like that are not a threat to anyone. Couple of machine guns would have done the job or a well trained units, perhaps you could have captured some POWs too. This is all under the assumption that they werent civilians. Americans are cowards and they will pay the price one day for their atrocities

Not likely. Historically perpetuators of atrocities almost never paid any price for their actions. They grow old and die and that is the end of it.