14-09-2004 18:04									#1
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http://s95005245.onlinehome.us/CAS.wmv


Do you think he needed to change his underwear after killing thirty people and creaming his pants, or do they supply tissues to the bombardiers?

	14-09-2004 18:59									#2
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IIRC, people are killed in combat sometimes.

	14-09-2004 19:02									#3
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Nice work.

	14-09-2004 19:06									#4
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Whats the problem?

A military person is told to complete a mission and does so well. Killing people is what a military is trained to do.

Whether you believe in violence or a particular war is another issue.

	14-09-2004 19:47									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber What's the problem? A military person is told to complete a mission and does so well. Killing people is what a military is trained to do.

It's just that some people try to pretend that isn't so. That soldiers are sombre proffesionals, who are reluctant to kill. That they don't get they're jollies from killing people.


And also that the brave american army consists of some jack-offs in a plane creaming their pants while they drop bombs on mobs of people miles below them.

	14-09-2004 19:55									#6
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd It's just that some people try to pretend that isn't so. That soldiers are sombre proffesionals, who are reluctant to kill. That they don't get they're jollies from killing people

How does the presence of a film indicate that they get their jollies from this? It might help if you would give some context - was this on a site run by members to the Air force (not the Army, BTW, unless this was from a helicopter)?


BTW, Im want them to be concerned about the deaths of civilians. Im not sure I want them to be reluctant to kill terrorists.

	14-09-2004 19:55									#7
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For all we know, the audio was dubbed by anti-war protestors...

	14-09-2004 19:58									#8
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by Asher
For all we know, the audio was dubbed by anti-war protestors... [/QUOTE

oh, was there audio? some of us keep the sound off on our PC's.

	14-09-2004 19:59									#9
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The audio is what's "controversial" about it -- they're clearly excited.

	14-09-2004 20:10									#10
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd And also that the brave american army consists of some jack-offs in a plane creaming their pants while they drop bombs on mobs of people miles below them.

You're taking the "oh dude" comment a little far don't you think? To me, it was little different than if he said " wow' or " good drop".


As for being excited, I would imagine that anyone that faces combat feels a surge of adreniline. They are people not zombies. For all I know, their targets that day might have been known to have ambushed some American serviceman the day before.

	14-09-2004 20:15									#11
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I actually just watched it again and it seemed like a very professional job and a direct hit on the individuals they were targetting. The only words that were not directly related to operations was the exclaimation "oh dude" after the bomb exploded right in hte middle of the targetted people.

I don't see the issue and find the idea that anyone was "creaming their jeans" to be tasteless. Some people died in that video.

	14-09-2004 21:38									#12
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I think the 'oh dude" was because one survived and the guy was either "oh dude": "you lucky SOB" or why run, you don't stand a chance and are going to die real soon anyway"

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This isn't the worst I have seen though, I saw one a couple of months ago where a helicopter was fragging some clearly wounded/ half dead guy.

	12-10-2004 23:51									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Nice work.

You salute another American atrocity against civilians.

See how they run, see how they cluster, only an idiot would think those people are combatants. They are people fleeing a battle-torn city, they thought they'd seen a chance to get out of there. I don't despise the pilot, he is a 'soldier' doing his job... but there is no 'Nice Work' about this in my opinion. Easy enough to say from the comfort of your cozy sofa though.

	12-10-2004 23:55									#14
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Yeah, Channel 4 news had some people highlighting that very point - that the insurgents use cover in buildings and don't run around in plain view in large groups.

	13-10-2004 00:35									#15
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quote: Originally posted by problem_child They are people fleeing a battle-torn city, they thought they'd seen a chance to get out of there.

The arforce says they were runing directly toward a a group of marines who were engaging them when they were in the building, which was the intial target until the charged out.

	13-10-2004 00:37									#16
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They came from behind the building though, it's not clear that they came *from* the building. Iraqi medical personnel also said on the news that there were a large number of civilian wounded brought in afterwards... (That's TV news btw) Also, I'd have thought that US Marines would have enough firepower to totally wipe out a crowd in no cover on their own without needing an F-16 to do it...

	13-10-2004 02:43									#17
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edit: how does an F-16 could hover like that ....?



I think that we can't assume anything. Not that these were infact combatants, not that these were civilians.

Not all combatants are well trained and keep a large distanced formation or crawl.

However, not all people running towards a marine force are necessarily combatants.

Urban combat against plain-clothes guerillas / terrorists is always very difficult.

	13-10-2004 03:35									#18
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I am aware that not all combatants are well trained, but I'd have thought that common sense would dictate that running down the middle of a street is just plain dumb. It may well be though that guerrillas were using a civilian crowd as cover as they did in Somalia... perhaps that might explain why the Marines didn't massacre them (?)

	13-10-2004 04:13									#19
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I remember seeing this on C4 news the other day. The general consensus amongst us watching at the time was that it was not a positive cool pant creaming yeehaw 'oh dude' at all.

More a 'I cant beleive Ive just killed all those people'. The pilot is just doing his job, but he doesnt sound happy about it.


As far as running down the street goes, what else do you do when you are under fire and you can hear the air strike coming?

	13-10-2004 04:14									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Snotty I remember seeing this on C4 news the other day. The general consensus amongst us watching at the time was that it was not a positive cool pant creaming yeehaw 'oh dude' at all. More a 'I cant beleive Ive just killed all those people'. The pilot is just doing his job, but he doesnt sound happy about it. As far as running down the street goes, what else do you do when you are under fire and you can hear the air strike coming?

What a way to express regret -- casually muttering the words, "oh dude."

	13-10-2004 04:15									#21
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americans are cold blood killers

	13-10-2004 04:17									#22
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I'm glad we Europeans dont have capabilities to commit such coward acts of terror

	13-10-2004 04:18									#23
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Um, no . . . . . .


the vast majority are not.

	13-10-2004 04:18									#24
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quote: Originally posted by laurentius I'm glad we Europeans dont have capabilities to commit such coward acts of terror

How about how France had ties with Saddam Huessein?

	13-10-2004 04:19									#25
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd http://s95005245.onlinehome.us/CAS.wmv Do you think he needed to change his underwear after killing thirty people and creaming his pants, or do they supply tissues to the bombardiers?

Do you consciously or subconsciously alter reality to conform with your opinions? No where in the clip did the pilot express any real emotion, whether it be anguish or glee.

	13-10-2004 04:20									#26
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quote: Originally posted by laurentius americans are cold blood killers

I think that's more than a little unfair... sure, they have a reputation as being trigger happy (ask Brits serving alongside them in ww2), but I don't think it's fair to call them 'cold blood[ed] killers'... there're people like that in every army and as long as about 2% of the population are sociopaths, so, will a certain percentage of the military be.

	13-10-2004 04:21									#27
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quote: Originally posted by laurentius I'm glad we Europeans dont have capabilities to commit such coward acts of terror

You ever heard of 'Bloody Sunday', Amritsar or Algeria to name but a few examples?

	13-10-2004 04:26									#28
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun What a way to express regret -- casually muttering the words, "oh dude."

Do you really think he sounds happy then?

Whats more likely, psychopath pilot, or ordinary guy in a ****ed up situation.

	13-10-2004 04:27									#29
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Well what the hell was that? They bombed a crowd in the middle of a street...but we'll never know what they were one way or another...

	13-10-2004 04:28									#30
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Well maybe that guy likes to use the word "dude" to express profound regret but I would think there are better words for such expression.