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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
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That about sums it all up, you have GOT to be a True Boni-Fide Pentagon Em-Ploy-Ee. |
don't ASSume things of which you know nothing.
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What you're saying is that any Iraqi/Serbian/Afghan stupid enough to live in Iraq/Serbia/Afghanistan Damn-Hell-Ass DESERVES to be whiped out, Why? Coz they're STUPID enough not to be born in America damnit! That's Why. |
wrong, you prejudiced fool. you obviously didn't even read half of what i wrote.
what i'm saying that it sucks if you live in those war zones, but you should have enough brains to avoid battle scenes. land mines suck. sure, you might have valuable scrap metal at the center of a defunct mine field, but if you die trying to get to that scrap metal, it's your own damn fault.
DU is toxic and it sucks, but the military doesn't have anything better. them's the breaks. now, if you get exposed to DU by climbing all over a tank that was destroyed by DU, it's your own damn fault. (should they post warnings? sure, why not? couldn't hurt. there will be people stupid enough to ignore them, and when they're exposed, it's even more their own damn fault.)
if you get fired upon by helicopter pilots during a wedding celebration because you're too dumb to realize that shooting a gun into the air as a noisemaker is utterly retarded, it's your own damn fault.
does this justify the use of DU? no, not really.
sure, i feel sorry for all of the unintended victims--and there are a lot of them--but if you read both sides of the story, you'll see that many of the people got exposed to the DU not by just merrily going on their way, but because they decided that the wheel on a destroyed tank looked nice and that they might as well use it.
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Or stupid enough to join the USArmy, dumb-ass white-trash/latino/black lower-income fools that they are. |
well, it comes as no surprise to me that you liberals really feel this way about the people who are defending you.
if you actually had read the half of my post which you conveniently ignored, you'd see this:
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as far as the veterans, sucks for them. the government should seriously put its money where its mouth is and care for the vets. |
again, don't ASSume, or you create more problems, child.
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Q Cubed
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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
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oh, and a postscript:
you obviously missed the entire point of that post, too.
i was explaining to sava why a chemical attack is worse than a DU shell, not whether or not DU shells were bad.
to explain further, for those of you who didn't get it the first time:
where DU shells are used, it's a war zone. you ought to know not to be around for the initial contamination. for the residual contamination, IT'S IN A GODDAMN WARZONE. you should have enough sense to avoid it unless you absolutely have to be back there. for the environmental contamination, well, there's no way around the fact that it sucks.
where gas attacks are used, it's a hell of a lot more random. you can use it on the battlefield, or you can use it as an urban terror attack, or you can use it for something else. no matter how much sense you have, it's hard to avoid, and if you do get mixed up in it, well, you're dead. the environmental contamination, well, it's pretty lousy too, but at least they have cleaning material for it--which, mind you, they could do something similar with the DU.
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State of the Animal
Mar 2000
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Originally posted by Q Cubed
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That about sums it all up, you have GOT to be a True Boni-Fide Pentagon Em-Ploy-Ee. |
don't ASSume things of which you know nothing.
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What you're saying is that any Iraqi/Serbian/Afghan stupid enough to live in Iraq/Serbia/Afghanistan Damn-Hell-Ass DESERVES to be whiped out, Why? Coz they're STUPID enough not to be born in America damnit! That's Why. |
wrong, you prejudiced fool. you obviously didn't even read half of what i wrote.
what i'm saying that it sucks if you live in those war zones, but you should have enough brains to avoid battle scenes. land mines suck. sure, you might have valuable scrap metal at the center of a defunct mine field, but if you die trying to get to that scrap metal, it's your own damn fault.
DU is toxic and it sucks, but the military doesn't have anything better. them's the breaks. now, if you get exposed to DU by climbing all over a tank that was destroyed by DU, it's your own damn fault. (should they post warnings? sure, why not? couldn't hurt. there will be people stupid enough to ignore them, and when they're exposed, it's even more their own damn fault.)
if you get fired upon by helicopter pilots during a wedding celebration because you're too dumb to realize that shooting a gun into the air as a noisemaker is utterly retarded, it's your own damn fault.
does this justify the use of DU? no, not really.
sure, i feel sorry for all of the unintended victims--and there are a lot of them--but if you read both sides of the story, you'll see that many of the people got exposed to the DU not by just merrily going on their way, but because they decided that the wheel on a destroyed tank looked nice and that they might as well use it.
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Or stupid enough to join the USArmy, dumb-ass white-trash/latino/black lower-income fools that they are. |
well, it comes as no surprise to me that you liberals really feel this way about the people who are defending you.
if you actually had read the half of my post which you conveniently ignored, you'd see this:
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as far as the veterans, sucks for them. the government should seriously put its money where its mouth is and care for the vets. |
again, don't ASSume, or you create more problems, child. |
I read all of what you wrote but found it only half made (kind of) any sense.
You seem to still be operating under the dillusion that DU dust keeps itself nicely tucked away on burned out tanks and such and doesn't wonder off in the breeze or anything at all. How descent and good of the DU to behave like that in your world. How civilised of it, how sporting.
Comment about the lower income folks was in the spirit of irony, I put it to you that that is in fact your attitude, or at least the position that you are representing with the statement I responded to. That anybody dumb enough to be present in a DU filled battlefield is just plain stupid. Grunts of any nation are rarely held as a priority outside of the politics games that elites play. Fact is most US soldiers are from poorer backgrounds looking to train/educate/opportunize themselves.
To the swaggering suited statesmen however, they are expendable, on the battle-field and in the political arena. That's why Gulf-War sickness for instance is still a non-issue as far as US and UK governments are concerned.
Just like DU shells actually, after the flash, the issue is forgotten, even though the damage rumbles on. For vets and DU dust alike.
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Originally posted by problem_child
You seem to still be operating under the dillusion that DU dust keeps itself nicely tucked away on burned out tanks and such and doesn't wonder off in the breeze or anything at all. How descent and good of the DU to behave like that in your world. How civilised of it, how sporting.
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I suppose he imagines it will behave quite like the lead which was used in earlier wars behaved. DU is a solid not a gas. It won't diffuse through the environment any faster than lead used to.
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Q Cubed
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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
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You seem to still be operating under the dillusion that DU dust keeps itself nicely tucked away on burned out tanks and such and doesn't wonder off in the breeze or anything at all. How descent and good of the DU to behave like that in your world. How civilised of it, how sporting. |
1. it's delusion.
2. no, i don't operate under that delusion. since you have trouble comprehending what i wrote, let me break it up for you this way even further: DU is bad. i feel bad for all those who end up sucking the big one because of its use. however, there are plenty of cases where exposure has occured because of the idiocy of the person in question. i do not see why i need to feel bad for them.
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Comment about the lower income folks was in the spirit of irony, I put it to you that that is in fact your attitude, or at least the position that you are representing with the statement I responded to. That anybody dumb enough to be present in a DU filled battlefield is just plain stupid. Grunts of any nation are rarely held as a priority outside of the politics games that elites play. Fact is most US soldiers are from poorer backgrounds looking to train/educate/opportunize themselves. |
if you actually read the full statement, you will see that i would like to see the government taken to task over the matter.
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Just like DU shells actually, after the flash, the issue is forgotten, even though the damage rumbles on. For vets and DU dust alike. |
actually, it's my understanding that there's no flash on a DU shell's impact.
a more apt comparison would be:
"Just like DDT contamination actually, after the event, the issue is forgotten, even though the damage rumbles on. For vets and birds alike."
problem_child, get rid of the sticks up your ass. i'm not the one you should be convincing DU is bad, since i'm well aware of its implications, its uses, its few pros, and its many cons.
i don't see why you're attacking me and ASSuming that i have these views when i don't.
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problem_child
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State of the Animal
Mar 2000
time: 05:23
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Originally posted by Q Cubed
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You seem to still be operating under the dillusion that DU dust keeps itself nicely tucked away on burned out tanks and such and doesn't wonder off in the breeze or anything at all. How descent and good of the DU to behave like that in your world. How civilised of it, how sporting. |
1. it's delusion.
2. no, i don't operate under that delusion. since you have trouble comprehending what i wrote, let me break it up for you this way even further: DU is bad. i feel bad for all those who end up sucking the big one because of its use. however, there are plenty of cases where exposure has occured because of the idiocy of the person in question. i do not see why i need to feel bad for them.
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Comment about the lower income folks was in the spirit of irony, I put it to you that that is in fact your attitude, or at least the position that you are representing with the statement I responded to. That anybody dumb enough to be present in a DU filled battlefield is just plain stupid. Grunts of any nation are rarely held as a priority outside of the politics games that elites play. Fact is most US soldiers are from poorer backgrounds looking to train/educate/opportunize themselves. |
if you actually read the full statement, you will see that i would like to see the government taken to task over the matter.
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Just like DU shells actually, after the flash, the issue is forgotten, even though the damage rumbles on. For vets and DU dust alike. |
actually, it's my understanding that there's no flash on a DU shell's impact.
a more apt comparison would be:
"Just like DDT contamination actually, after the event, the issue is forgotten, even though the damage rumbles on. For vets and birds alike."
problem_child, get rid of the sticks up your ass. i'm not the one you should be convincing DU is bad, since i'm well aware of its implications, its uses, its few pros, and its many cons.
i don't see why you're attacking me and ASSuming that i have these views when i don't. |
Aw, you got me with a spelling mistake, your argument is immense in its power and logic.
DU shells don't flash, that pedantic point adds even more to the weight of your position as opposed to my own.
This ASSuming thing of yours is the final nail in the coffin of everything I have said, it just put me down so thuroughly I really don't think I have the inclination to respond anymore. I am totally demoralised, both shocked- and awed. 
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where DU shells are used, it's a war zone. you ought to know not to be around for the initial contamination. for the residual contamination, IT'S IN A GODDAMN WARZONE. you should have enough sense to avoid it |
At the moment, much of Iraq appears to be a war zone, Is it O.K. if the population stays at your house till it all blows over?
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DU has minimal radiation, living at high altitude probably would give you a higher level of exposure. However, DU is a heavy metal, and heavy metal dust (especially the fine crap from condensed vapor) is typically very nasty (and yes, a filter mask would help ALOT). Lead is actually mild as heavy metals go, and most creatures have no metabolic mechanism to eliminate from the body (no evolutionary pressure to do so). They get in, screw up certain metabolic pathways, and then they don't go away. Chegitz analysis on proof of birth defects is right on the money, but I would not be surprised if DP cause them. However, Oerdin's analysis is also correct versus dying now from the sniper in the building versus later from being treated for Gulf War syndrome. The silliest thing is that this time the US has used very little DP, the first Gulf War is where it saw heavy use. Silly article, stupid argument - the US military did some analysis and determined the worst danger was inside killed Iraqi vehicles (first Gulf War), so the Darwin issue now comes up. Stay out of wrecked military vehicles. Duh.
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Q Cubed
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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
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At the moment, much of Iraq appears to be a war zone, Is it O.K. if the population stays at your house till it all blows over? |
DU shells, as far as i understand it, are not being used willy-nilly in iraq in urban areas. therefore, DU contamination in urban areas should be less than that of the outlying, rural areas.
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Silly article, stupid argument - the US military did some analysis and determined the worst danger was inside killed Iraqi vehicles (first Gulf War), so the Darwin issue now comes up. Stay out of wrecked military vehicles. Duh. |
thank you.
of course, when i say it, people think i'm all for using more DU, and that i hate non-white americans... 
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