21-09-2004 06:18									#61
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Um... realizing that when they said you get a dowry of ZERO, should have alerted you to whether it really applies in the situation.

	21-09-2004 07:05									#62
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Yep, and all I said in my original post was that I was dissappointed that it didn't.

spoiler(highlight to read): In other news, did you guys get Skorm's Bow? IMO it's even better that that sword you get at the end if you use the multishot

	21-09-2004 12:52									#63
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Well, I caved in and got the game. I like it a lot so far. I'm playing a good wizard. I got him obese to open a demon door. But he doesn't look anything near Fat Albert. But now I got to loose weight...

quote: The targeting system is messed up. I end up targeting allies way to often, and sometimes it just targets nothing, even though a guy is lit up red. Back to targeting... the game also is to stupid to realize that I didn't want to give that beer to someone else, I wanted it for me.

Yes, it can be irritating. You also use the right trigger for spells AND to attract experience orbs. Its a hassle for wizards like me.

	22-09-2004 07:26									#64
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Well I'm thin again. The game is pretty easy so far. However, if you boast a lot before a quest, it can get tough. A little piece of advice: when you want to fish, look out for whirlpools...

	22-09-2004 18:29									#65
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Whirlpools are good . I love fishing in the game myself .

	23-09-2004 00:21									#66
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I meant ripples. Anyway, I posted that before visiting Fisher's creek.

Some boasts are really hard, especially if you take multiple boasts. In a side quest, you have to kill monsters at Orchard farm. You could: (a) kill them naked, without protection; (b) kill them and come back without a scratch; (c) kill 10 more than Whisper. If you take all three boasts, the quests becomes really hard.

	23-09-2004 06:19									#67
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Get skorm's bow, use multishot (preferably max), and use the shield skill. All boasts become easy.

Once I got my character going it was possible to kill every enemy except the Rock Golem in 1 hit (excluding bosses) and the Rock Golem in 2.

	23-09-2004 08:16									#68
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The shield spell doesn't work with "do it unprotected" boasts. Otoh, the freeze time spell is very useful. Combined with the "multiple melee attacks" spell, its quite deadly.

	23-09-2004 09:31									#69
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quote: Originally posted by BustaMike Get skorm's bow, use multishot (preferably max), and use the shield skill. All boasts become easy. Once I got my character going it was possible to kill every enemy except the Rock Golem in 1 hit (excluding bosses) and the Rock Golem in 2.

You do realize that not everyone wants to powergame?

I'm playing as a good character. I wouldn't use Skorm's bow.

	23-09-2004 11:19									#70
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Fable is definitely a quality game, but some things are definitely lacking. I guess I just wasn't expecting such a hack and slash for an rpg, I am fresh off of KOTOR, and still up to my buttocks in Morrowind, and was expecting something slightly similar. The gameplay is entirely different, but still quality.

Stay tuned kids, what will bipolarbear say next about the new upa and comer?
Part 2 of this semi interesting review when we return!

Bored while waiting for part 2? Then hop on over to the sotries and diplomacy section, nad join the SHeep NES to play a fun interactive game full of politicla swindling and tons of bloody war in Early America!
Or, if that's not your slice of chicken pot p ie, then create your own NES, their kind of a drought now, so your guaranteed to get players!

	23-09-2004 11:38									#71
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I'm trying to find the seeress in the bandit camp without a scratch AND without killing a single bandit. Skorm's bow would be useless. No bipolar, it's not merely hack and slash.

	23-09-2004 13:52									#72
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It's a fun ass game.

I'm taking some time now to do weird things, look in all the nooks and crannies. It's definitely worth it so far.

	23-09-2004 23:52									#73
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Well my lady is going to get it for me as a late birthday pressie, i think its not out in the u.k for another 2 weeks or so?
I didnt follow the build up of the game that closely, so my expectations are not sky high, but there have been enough positive comments here to persuade me that it's a worthy addition to my xbox collection.
Morrowind it isn't, but it does sound interesting.
Keep up the commentary guys - its all good stuff

	24-09-2004 09:53									#74
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http://xbox.ign.com/articles/550/550511p1.html

quote: Fable Sells Big How big? Really big. September 23, 2004 - Microsoft Game Studios has reason to be proud: Today it announced that Fable, the beautiful and expansive Xbox-only RPG developed under the care of Peter Molyneux, has already broken records in its first week of sales. Fable sold more than 375,000 units during its initial week of release (which translates into about $18.7 million gross). To offer some perspective, in one week that's about half the number of units Knights of the Old Republic sold in its first six months. As for record breaking, Fable was had the biggest first-week sales at EB Games of any Xbox title, ever. At Game Rush, it broke first-week records for any game. And, in a delicious statistic, Fable grossed more in its first week than the film Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow. Take that, Jude Law! Could this be one of the biggest hits in the Xbox's history? That remains to be seen, especially with heavy contenders like Halo 2 still to emerge. But without a doubt, Big Blue Box's unique RPG is doing very well. Very well, indeed.

	24-09-2004 09:57									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui You do realize that not everyone wants to powergame?

I guess, though it doesn't make much sense considering the site we post on is dedicated to strategy games. What other way is there to play civ and smac (aside from sucking) than powergaming? I play every game that way. It's more fun.

	24-09-2004 13:13									#76
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quote: Could this be one of the biggest hits in the Xbox's history?

doubtful, i is a great game, but compared to what is coming out now, it doesn't go nearly enough in depth, and it isn't nearly long enough to warrant it as even one of the top 20 xbox games.
Kotor had a way better story, and Morrowind was WAY more detail orinted than this. It reminds me of both games at times, but fails to caputure the magic of either of the two.
I like how htey have the three different abilities that you can level up on, but skill seesm almsot pointless w/ the exception of guile! I guess if your seeking a challenge, you could try to be bow intensive...

	24-09-2004 17:35									#77
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quote: What other way is there to play civ and smac (aside from sucking) than powergaming?

Like I said before, not everyone wants to powergame. Just because you do it doesn't mean every has to or should. I don't 'powergame' when I play Civ or SMAC. I'm a builder. I go for the space shuttle / transcendance victory and AFAIK have never won by conquering the world. That just doesn't do it for me.

And I find that more fun than going around conquering, but I ain't going to say "what other way is there to play".

	24-09-2004 18:54									#78
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Conquering does not equal powergaming. Haven't you ever played anything competitive?

	24-09-2004 19:02									#79
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I usually don't play games competitively, either. Nor did I play Fable nearly as "hardcore" as you did.

	24-09-2004 19:31									#80
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There is no way to play civ3 except to power game. That's why it sucks. Civ2 and SMAC are another story, however...

	24-09-2004 22:45									#81
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd There is no way to play civ3 except to power game. That's why it sucks. Civ2 and SMAC are another story, however...

Try it at "easy" then. The Ai doesn't REX at that level.

	25-09-2004 01:14									#82
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quote: Conquering does not equal powergaming.

But powergaming does equal conquering.

	25-09-2004 03:18									#83
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd There is no way to play civ3 except to power game. That's why it sucks. Civ2 and SMAC are another story, however...

You don't have to powergame until you hit Emperor or Deity.

	25-09-2004 05:27									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Conquering does not equal powergaming. But powergaming does equal conquering.

That makes no sense.

"equals" is associative.

	25-09-2004 06:15									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Asher That makes no sense. "equals" is associative.

Bad choice of words, if you choose to be picky. It should be implies.

powergaming => conquering

but

conquering =/=> powergaming

Therefore, (powergaming <=> conquering) does not hold.

	25-09-2004 07:05									#86
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I'm confused now

What I meant was I can easily powergame and play a pure builder strat at the same time.

And as far as difficulty levels go, I almost always play every game on the hardest setting.

	25-09-2004 10:14									#87
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quote: Bad choice of words, if you choose to be picky. It should be implies. powergaming => conquering but conquering =/=> powergaming

Yep, there you go. And you can't powergame and be a pure bulder... at least not in Civ3. Expansion leads to conflict and conflict, invariably to conquest. You can't just stay in a corner of the map and hang out.

The best part of a game to me is the journey, not winning the game the fastest or with the best score. For example in Civ/SMAC, I didn't care if I won or not, just if it was a good, fun game.

	25-09-2004 14:19									#88
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actually i did powergame civ 3 as a builder quite a bit. usually it involves insane ics at the beginning so you end up with so many resources and territory that you can play defensively as many people won't attack you. usually my close ai neighbors only managed to build 3-5 cities while i had 20+. i did't play the difficulty levels above monarch(is this the middle one?) much though. powergaming is a style of play not necessarily aggressive play.

	25-09-2004 14:44									#89
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On the subject of Powergaming, i think that it could be seen as a fault of a games design if its possible to basicaly cheat your way to victory. But lets face how many games can you think of where you can't powergame?!
Still if thats how a player likes to play then maybe its not a real issue - its all about enertainment at the end of the day

Morrowind is a good example. For me to really enjoy that game(and i do) i have to anti-power play.
On KOTOR i was at 80 game hours and about 85% to completion, where other people completed it in around 60hrs or under.
It looks like if i want to get what i want out of Fable, i'll have to adopt the same approach. Gaming for me has become less about the winning than the taking part - but maybe thats what happens after you've been gaming for over 20years?

	25-09-2004 20:44									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Yep, there you go. And you can't powergame and be a pure bulder... at least not in Civ3. Expansion leads to conflict and conflict, invariably to conquest. You can't just stay in a corner of the map and hang out.

In a good game like SMAC you can though. Civ3 is a worthless piece of **** of a game where there is only one good strategy.