17-09-2004 10:26									#91
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	17-09-2004 10:29									#92
	Re: Re: So, amcons, can you explain me what France and Germany's great crime was? Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

quote: Originally posted by PLATO http://www.washingtontimes.com/nati...23000-1796r.htm

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	17-09-2004 13:20									#93
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro quote: Originally posted by Ned Support was not the issue and you know it. France and Germany OPPOSED US policy in Iraq. And?

Read the title to this thread. The crime was joining the enemy.

	17-09-2004 13:21									#94
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro You mean we should debate whether countries which do not support a US position are a) allowed to say that openly and b) act according to what they think is a better solution (if it really is or not is another question)?

Better solution? -- or no solution?

	17-09-2004 13:26									#95
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Poor Ned.

	17-09-2004 13:33									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu The issue, if you remember, was "Let's continue the inspections to be sure about the nukes" vs. "NO! WE KNOW THERE ARE NUKES! COLIN POWELL HAS SHODDY DOCUMENTS! INVASION NOW!"

Stefu, perhaps that was your view. Saddam was playing the inspections game once more to continue on his merry way, doing whatever he wanted to do. The problem was we had 1441 which gave him a deadline to file a report on WMD and the details on their destruction if he said he did not have them. His response said he did not have WMD; but he did not file any details on how he destroyed the one's the UN said he had in '98. His filing itself was a breach.

Then France and Germany wanted more time for the inspectors to verify that there were no WMD, even while no one associated with any alleged destruction ever came forth and verified any destruction. Given that Saddam could have hidden his WMD anywhere, the inspections to "verify" his claims would have extended for years.

We could not get France to tell us when they would be satisfied that the inspections were fruitless. The kept saying, that of course the inspections cannot go on forever, but would never commit to any date.

Our army in the meantime was assembled and waiting. Summer drew nye. We could no longer wait for France to stop dragging its feet. So we moved for a second final resolution.

This is when France began openly campaigning against us, and joined the dark side.

	17-09-2004 13:51									#97
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro Poor Ned.

BeBro, why of course, Germany was right to oppose the US because in the end there were no WMD. That is your position -- now. But, we really know that there were no WMD because we took Saddam out and had free reign in the country. We would never have known this, and the inspections would have gone on forever, if there were no war.

Would you agree with the last statement at least?

And, oh btw, Germany would have soon called for an end to inspections and end to sanctions. Right?

	17-09-2004 14:13									#98
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You call yourself the light side?

On a sidenote, Kofi Annan called the Iraq war illegal in an interview yesterday. So much for those who hold 1441 as excuse for their conquest. Chances are, that the US will pull a stunt to get rid of him for his insolence. Been there, seen that.

	17-09-2004 14:15									#99
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Like the Bush administation takes anything that kofi Annan says seriously. He's just a fart in the wind.

	17-09-2004 14:17									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph You call yourself the light side? On a sidenote, Kofi Annan called the Iraq war illegal in an interview yesterday. So much for those who hold 1441 as excuse for their conquest. Chances are, that the US will pull a stunt to get rid of him for his insolence. Been there, seen that.

Yeah, Annan is already feeling the heat from the Iraq oil-for-food corruption scandal. He may be going a lot farther than out. He may be going down.

	17-09-2004 14:18									#101
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The Bush administration can either excuse their aggression with an UNSC resolution, or call the UN Secretary General a fart in the wind, but not both if being logically consistant. But putting "logic" and "Bush administration" in the same sentence...

	17-09-2004 15:24									#102
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Germans speak German.
French eat frogs and snails.
Isn't that enough?

	17-09-2004 15:26									#103
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That's terroristic, I'd even say

	17-09-2004 16:57									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Ned BeBro, why of course, Germany was right to oppose the US because in the end there were no WMD. That is your position -- now. But, we really know that there were no WMD because we took Saddam out and had free reign in the country. We would never have known this, and the inspections would have gone on forever, if we hadn't killed thousands, maimed many more, and ruined a country

I don't know for BeBro, but I completely agree with that statement. To get secret info, it's easier just to wreck havoc in a country than to let diplomats do the job.

Now, don't you think the price is a bit high for such a result (knowing for sure what the inspections suggested but couldn't prove) ?

	17-09-2004 17:21									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Germans speak German. French eat frogs and snails. Isn't that enough?

FROGS

	17-09-2004 17:48									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Yeah, Annan is already feeling the heat from the Iraq oil-for-food corruption scandal. He may be going a lot farther than out. He may be going down.

bah, bushie survived enron dind't he ?
pot kettle black

fact remains : you went un guns blazing and didn't find jack ****...

and now you're still mad at those countries who said you should be looking through the window before slamming down the door

	17-09-2004 18:13									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker FROGS

Yes.
Bush should stop them.
Btw, they have weapons of mass destruction

	17-09-2004 18:58									#108
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ted:

junge römer
vienna calling
the sound of musik
der kommisar
and
ROCK ME AMADEUS!

	17-09-2004 22:40									#109
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Saddam had it coming. Wimpy Frogs and Krauts didn't wanna join in the gangbang. Screw 'em.

	17-09-2004 23:22									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph The Bush administration can either excuse their aggression with an UNSC resolution, or call the UN Secretary General a fart in the wind, but not both if being logically consistant. But putting "logic" and "Bush administration" in the same sentence...

Annan is not the Lord High Executioner, a Supreme Being, or even an Almighty European. He does the will of the Council. He does not dictate to its permant members. He is a complete idiot for taking his anti-Americanism to the extreme he has.

	17-09-2004 23:26									#111
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quote: Originally posted by dannubis bah, bushie survived enron dind't he ? pot kettle black fact remains : you went un guns blazing and didn't find jack ****... and now you're still mad at those countries who said you should be looking through the window before slamming down the door

Bush survived Enron?

What in the world have you been smoking?

	18-09-2004 02:04									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Yes. Bush should stop them. Btw, they have weapons of mass destruction

When we're done, they'll look like this

	18-09-2004 02:29									#113
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I think they already look that way...

	18-09-2004 07:43									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed ted: junge römer vienna calling the sound of musik der kommisar and ROCK ME AMADEUS!

	18-09-2004 10:36									#115
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quote: Bush survived Enron? What in the world have you been smoking?

What in the world have you been smoking if you think he hasn't?

	18-09-2004 11:02									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Annan is not the Lord High Executioner, a Supreme Being, or even an Almighty European. He does the will of the Council. He does not dictate to its permant members. He is a complete idiot for taking is anti-Americanism to the extreme he has.

He is not the High Lord Executioner (and neither is it his business to be one), but he as head of the organization he represents is the only one, who can give a war legitimacy. If he says a war is illegal, it is illegal, period. So I am sorry to tell you, that you are the citizen of a brutal and aggressive rogue state.

	18-09-2004 11:25									#117
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO http://www.washingtontimes.com/nati...23000-1796r.htm

If only papers like the Washington Post were half as critical of America's own foreign policy as it is of France's in this article... the world would indeed be a much safer place. But you wouldn't expect Bush to encourage freedom of press, wouldn't you?

	18-09-2004 16:58									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph He is not the High Lord Executioner (and neither is it his business to be one), but he as head of the organization he represents is the only one, who can give a war legitimacy. If he says a war is illegal, it is illegal, period. So I am sorry to tell you, that you are the citizen of a brutal and aggressive rogue state.

I stand corrected, Sir Ralph. Annan is like the ancient Pharaoh whose words became law: "Let it be written, let it be done." Annan the Omnipotent, the keeper of the Keys of the Pearly Gates. All hail and bow!

	18-09-2004 17:03									#119
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Imran, as you know, but apparently some Euro's do not know, Bush had nothing to do with Enron. When they called for help, his Sec. Treasury hung up. Later, when Lay said "I didn't know," Bush said all CEOs must now sign personal responsibility statements. Finally, everyone that had anything to do with the Enron fraud is either in jail, under prosecution, or out of business.

Contrast THAT record to Clinton's whose minions whored mightily for Enron in exchange for ample campaign contributions.

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	18-09-2004 17:08									#120
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And, as you know as well, when Democrats scream loudest, they do so to cover their own crimes. Which party leader made hundreds of millions off of insider trading and the like just before another recent stock collapse? His first name is Terry and the party symbol is a jackass.