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SAN RAFAEL, Calif. - George Lucas never figured on a 30-year career as a space pilot. Once "Star Wars" shot into hyperspace, though, he found it hard to come back down to Earth.


Making its DVD debut Tuesday, Lucas' original sci-fi trilogy — "Star Wars," "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Return of the Jedi" — began as an experimental foray into old-time studio moviemaking for Lucas, whose first two films had been far removed from usual Hollywood sensibilities.


Lucas' sci-fi satire "THX 1138" had been a commercial dud, but the energetic "American Graffiti" with its driving soundtrack and multi-character point of view scored with audiences, giving the director clout to try something bigger that had been on his mind.


"I'd already started this other idea, which was to do a kind of a classic action adventure film using sets," Lucas said over lunch at his 2,600-acre Skywalker Ranch. "I'd never worked on a set, I'd never worked at a studio. Never made a traditional movie. So I said, `I'm going to do this once, just to see what it's like, what it's like to actually design everything, work on a soundstage, do an old-fashioned 1930s movie.


"And I'll do it in that mode from the 1930s Saturday matinee serials, using kind of 1930s and '40s sensibilities, and I'll base it on sort of mythological motifs and icons. I'll just put it together in a modern form, and I'll have fun. That's how I got into that. I did it because it was an interesting move into an area that I thought I'd never go into."


Three decades later, Lucas is preparing to launch the last of his six "Star Wars" films. Next summer brings "Star Wars: Episode III — Revenge of the Sith," completing the prequel trilogy that tells the story of young Anakin Skywalker's metamorphosis into the villainous Darth Vader of the original three films.


Fans have eagerly awaited the first three "Star Wars" films on DVD, a release Lucas initially intended to delay until he finished "Episode III."


Some will be miffed that the original theatrical versions are not included in the "Star Wars" boxed set, which features only the special-edition versions Lucas issued in the late 1990s, with added effects and footage, including a scene between Harrison Ford (news)'s Han Solo and crime lord Jabba the Hutt in the first "Star Wars."


AP: Why did you change your mind and decide to put the original three movies out on DVD now?


Lucas: Just because the market has shifted so dramatically. A lot of people are getting very worried about piracy. That has really eaten dramatically into the sales. It really just came down to, there may not be a market when I wanted to bring it out, which was like, three years from now. So rather than just sit by and watch the whole thing fall apart, better to bring it out early and get it over with.


AP: Why did you rework the original trilogy into the special-edition versions in the late 1990s?


Lucas: To me, the special edition ones are the films I wanted to make. Anybody that makes films knows the film is never finished. It's abandoned or it's ripped out of your hands, and it's thrown into the marketplace, never finished. It's a very rare experience where you find a filmmaker who says, "That's exactly what I wanted. I got everything I needed. I made it just perfect. I'm going to put it out there." And even most artists, most painters, even composers would want to come back and redo their work now. They've got a new perspective on it, they've got more resources, they have better technology, and they can fix or finish the things that were never done. ... I wanted to actually finish the film the way it was meant to be when I was originally doing it. At the beginning, people went, "Don't you like it?" I said, "Well, the film only came out to be 25 or 30 percent of what I wanted it to be." They said, "What are you talking about?" So finally, I stopped saying that, but if you read any interviews for about an eight- or nine-year period there, it was all about how disappointed I was and how unhappy I was and what a dismal experience it was. You know, it's too bad you need to get kind of half a job done and never get to finish it. So this was my chance to finish it.


AP: Why not release both the originals and special editions on DVD?


Lucas: The special edition, that's the one I wanted out there. The other movie, it's on VHS, if anybody wants it. ... I'm not going to spend the, we're talking millions of dollars here, the money and the time to refurbish that, because to me, it doesn't really exist anymore. It's like this is the movie I wanted it to be, and I'm sorry you saw half a completed film and fell in love with it. But I want it to be the way I want it to be. I'm the one who has to take responsibility for it. I'm the one who has to have everybody throw rocks at me all the time, so at least if they're going to throw rocks at me, they're going to throw rocks at me for something I love rather than something I think is not very good, or at least something I think is not finished.



AP: Do you pay much attention to fan reactions to your choices?


Lucas: Not really. The movies are what the movies are. ... The thing about science-fiction fans and "Star Wars" fans is they're very independent-thinking people. They all think outside the box, but they all have very strong ideas about what should happen, and they think it should be their way. Which is fine, except I'm making the movies, so I should have it my way.

AP: After "Episode III," will you ever revisit "Star Wars"?

Lucas: Ultimately, I'm going to probably move it into television and let other people take it. I'm sort of preserving the feature film part for what has happened and never go there again, but I can go off into various offshoots and things. You know, I've got offshoot novels, I've got offshoot comics. So it's very easy to say, "Well, OK, that's that genre, and I'll find a really talented person to take it and create it." Just like the comic books and the novels are somebody else's way of doing it. I don't mind that. Some of it might turn out to be pretty good. If I get the right people involved, it could be interesting.


Lucas continues to show that his mule-headed arrogance knows no bounds.

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How could anybody have actually wanted that terrible Jabba the Hut scene in New Hope?

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I still think that the originals are superior.

Shame....

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the originals at least werent as poorly acted as these new ones. that kid in ep 1 was ubearable. the old ones actually had the actors trying to act, and even if it was a bit hammy it fit.

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Lucas continues to show that his mule-headed arrogance knows no bounds.


There is nothing terribly arrogant about this.

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I'm sorry, but it's his story, his idea, his creation. He decided he wanted to show us what he had come up with. I don't think we have any right at all to be angry with him. We can think his work sucks, but we can't get all pissed because he's ****ing with our dreams. It's his goddamn brainchild.

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I agree with Lucas in principle, but I have trouble with him simply ignoring the massive fanbase. If I were the director, I would probably go with what the fans want rather than my ego, but then...I'm not the director. George Lucas is, and whatever picture is in the director's liking is the one it should, in principle, be.

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Greedo shot second before he shot first

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I like some of the Special Edition - the use of new technology on the snowspeeders and the X-Wings, fixing the vasoline-rubbed Landspeeder, etc. The crappy Greedo scene is just horrible, the Jabba scene might have been better if done in the 70s, but looks horribly out of place.

He should have given us both options.

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he should be killed before he further damages the Star Wars legacy.

And dump that Christenson guy as well. He's a terrible actor.

Bring in a director who knows how to direct.

Is that too much to ask for?

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When George Lucas IS Star Wars, yes.

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George Lucas IS Star Wars


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Out of curiosity. Does anyone have a full list of the changes from the original to the new versions?

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When George Lucas IS Star Wars, yes.


He did not direct the Empire Strikes Back.

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I like most of the SE changes, but I like the original Sy Snootles number better than the changed one.

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Oh come on, it's as clear as glass that fans will always like the 'first version' they saw above any later version. No matter if the later version is better or not.

I always wonder about starwars fans why they don't have any self-reflection on that.

I'm happy that I'm a Lord of the Rings fan. We LOTR fans always prefer the later (Extended) versions of 'our' movies above the earlier (theatrical) versions

And we all hope Peter Jackson will release a very extended special edition with more more more new scenes.

Star Wars fans in the end get more and more depressed, with every new film that will be released. LOTR fans only get happier and happier!
I'd rather be one of the lather then one of the first. You life must suck if you're a star wars fan

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Why does anyone like these films? Star Wars (the first film) was barely tolerable. I refused to see the muppet fest and the third one for many years. Then a friend lent me his copy of the original trilogy. God did that suck!

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He did not direct the Empire Strikes Back.


And strangely enough that was probably the best of the trilogy

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A simple matter of opinion.

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Star Wars sucked then, and it sucks now.

People should just suck it up and move on.

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I'll give him credit on this one... While I'm sure we can argue forever on whether the original versions are better than his later released versions... he's doing what he wants. He could just have easily released the originals first... made tons of money, and then released his later version a year later, and made even more money. Instead, he's only releasing what HE FEELS is the better version. Whether we agree or not, I give him some credit for sticking to his guns on this.

I look forward to finally having these on DVD's.

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I'm sure when Lucas dies they will read his will and find yet more revisions to the saga that has to be made.

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I'm sure when Lucas dies they will read his will and find yet more revisions to the saga that has to be made.


which they are free to do so.
We live in free countries in which everybody can try to sell anything he or she wants.
It's not the fault of GL that people actually buy it.

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which they are free to do so.
We live in free countries in which everybody can try to sell anything he or she wants.
It's not the fault of GL that people actually buy it.


He can do whatever he wants to. The hard core fans are going to buy whatever he puts out. I'll end up getting the DVD's and after that I'm done with the Star Wars buying since the OT is what I have wanted on DVD for a long time.

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which they are free to do so.
We live in free countries in which everybody can try to sell anything he or she wants.
It's not the fault of GL that people actually buy it.


But it is his fault that he sells it.

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I have to agree that it's his baby and he can do what he feels is best for it. If you want the originals, go buy the VHS tapes.

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it's his right to do what he wants with his creation.

however, it's also my right to say that his stuff recently just completely sucks monkey balls.

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And strangely enough that was probably the best of the trilogy


I consider it to be the best. The only movie I'm interested in. The other 2 of the originals are okay. Ep 1 and 2 are scary in their horribleness.

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I'll give him credit on this one... While I'm sure we can argue forever on whether the original versions are better than his later released versions... he's doing what he wants. He could just have easily released the originals first... made tons of money, and then released his later version a year later, and made even more money. Instead, he's only releasing what HE FEELS is the better version. Whether we agree or not, I give him some credit for sticking to his guns on this.


Didn't he already do that? On VHS, there was a huge promotion for the original movies before the special edition came out.

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I'm sorry, but it's his story, his idea, his creation. He decided he wanted to show us what he had come up with. I don't think we have any right at all to be angry with him. We can think his work sucks, but we can't get all pissed because he's ****ing with our dreams. It's his goddamn brainchild.




Indeed. People seems to totally forget that the entire Star Wars universe sprung from Lucas' brain. If he wants to make small changes to the original trilogy to make it fit what he wanted to do in 1979, but didn't have the tech to do so, then fine.

It'll still sell a shitload of copies, so, in the end, it doesn't matter. If you really are THAT hardcore about it (and if so, then you live a sad existance), get the old VHS copies.

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He did not direct the Empire Strikes Back.


But he did direct A New Hope, which people consider very close in quality to Empire Strikes Back.

 
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