19-09-2004 09:01									#181
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Already been posted. And if the Gallup poll is so wrong, why are other polls like the CBS/NYT and the ABC/WaPo showing big leads for Bush, as well? BTW, I'd love to see you try to call CBS/NYT and ABC/WaPo biased towards the GOP...

I have no idea how they weight things. But we're getting polls all over the place. For example a FOX poll has Bush only two points ahead and I'd love to see you try to call FOX biased against the GOP
Bush is definately ahead but the Gallup poll (the one that shows him the most ahead IIRC) has screwy methodology that inflates his lead.

I think the results in a lot of places are going to surprise a lot of people, (not sure how exactly) since this is such a heated election we'll get turnout that is different from the one that the pollsters are normalizing for.

quote: I'm not accusing anyone of bias (in this matter, at least)...

I'm not either, just saying the Gallup methodology is screwy.

	19-09-2004 09:03									#182
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quote: That, or smart methodology based on years of experience that is getting them a realistic result (as evidenced by similar results from CBS and ABC).

Actually, Harris, Pew, Zogby, ARG, CSM, Fox, etc. all show that Gallup's methodology is crap.

quote: It's only a clear cut case of "bias" to you because your boy is on the wrong side of their methodology...

Keep your pathetic delusions. That won't change the fact that Shrub'll lose this November.

	19-09-2004 09:04									#183
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quote: You Kiwis are just desperate for a woman, any woman, after years of sheep ********. Us true playa Yanks don't have that problem...

Not in Okinawa anyway.

	19-09-2004 09:07									#184
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quote: That won't change the fact that Shrub'll lose this November.

Kerry better make his move soon if he's going to do it. He's got 14 points to make up in seven weeks...

	19-09-2004 09:10									#185
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You forget that he's from the same state as the NE Patriots.

	19-09-2004 09:13									#186
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I guess he should shake-up his staff again and make Tom Brady his campaign manager.

	19-09-2004 09:14									#187
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quote: Kerry better make his move soon if he's going to do it. He's got 14 points to make up in seven weeks...

I suppose he might have 14 points to make up to totally pwn Shrub, but Kerry only needs to beat him.

	19-09-2004 09:14									#188
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: That won't change the fact that Shrub'll lose this November. Kerry better make his move soon if he's going to do it. He's got 14 points to make up in seven weeks...

So you think its likely that 40% of those who turn out will be Republicans and 33% Democrats?

	19-09-2004 09:15									#189
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Ramo, you overestimate the intellect of the average American. Bush is going to win because half of the country still believes that Saddam Hussein was behind 9.11.

*Cue Fez to say "but he was!!"

	19-09-2004 09:21									#190
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quote: So you think its likely that 40% of those who turn out will be Republicans and 33% Democrats?

Hell if I know; this is a pretty strange election and I'm not an expert on polling. I guess I'll just have to trust the expert judgement of the folks at Gallup, CBS and ABC. It would be moronic of me to criticize their methodology when I have no idea what I'm talking about...

	19-09-2004 11:21									#191
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Looking over Gallup's website, I have noticed that their polls to this date, and until recently they did show the same dead heat everyone else did. While I don't believe the lead is as big as Gallup says it is, that the poll is registering much better numbers for Bush then it was before is a good sign for Bush.

	19-09-2004 11:45									#192
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Ramo, you overestimate the intellect of the average American. Bush is going to win because half of the country still believes that Saddam Hussein was behind 9.11. *Cue Fez to say "but he was!!"

Doing an agathon: Did you know Hitler was a good man and didn't kill anybody! But he didn't! We should of left him in power because it wasn't our business if he was murdering twenty million people!

	19-09-2004 18:00									#193
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Discuss the topic... NOT THE POSTERS.

Any more personal attacks or insults, and some people are going to get restricted.

	19-09-2004 18:02									#194
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You already warned them once, Ming. Let the bloodletting begin.

	19-09-2004 18:36									#195
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quote: Originally posted by Boshko So you think its likely that 40% of those who turn out will be Republicans and 33% Democrats?

There's quite a few Democrats voting for Bush.........

This election in more of a contest between Liberals and Conservatives as opposed to Democrats and Republicans. I believe there are more conservative Democrats than liberal Republicans.