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Thursday September 23, 2004 4:46 PM

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By NEDRA PICKLER

Associated Press Writer

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said Thursday that Iraq's Ayad Allawi was sent before Congress to put the ``best face'' on Bush administration policy.

Shortly after Allawi, the interim government's prime minister, gave a rosy portrayal of progress toward peace in Iraq, Kerry said the assessment contradicted reality on the ground.

``The prime minister and the president are here obviously to put their best face on the policy, but the fact is that the CIA estimates, the reporting, the ground operations and the troops all tell a different story,'' Kerry said.

Allawi told a joint meeting of Congress that democratic elections will take place in Iraq in January as scheduled, but Kerry said that was unrealistic.

``The United States and the Iraqis have retreated from whole areas of Iraq,'' Kerry told reporters outside a Columbus firehouse. ``There are no-go zones in Iraq today. You can't hold an election in a no-go zone.''

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/...4509663,00.html

Remember, folks, that Kerry was a declared enemy of the government of South Vietnam as well. He is at least consistent on this kind of issue.

	24-09-2004 00:22									#2
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He's at least finally criticizing what he should be criticizing: Bush's track record, specifically w/regard to Iraq.

-Arrian

	24-09-2004 00:22									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Ned You can't hold an election in a no-go zone.''

Does that include Hurricane destroyed Florida?

	24-09-2004 00:24									#4
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He is at least right on this issue, as compared to the lying incompetent now making the decisions.

	24-09-2004 00:26									#5
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Yes, and as we know, John Kerry has helped run Iraq in tandem with Allawi, so he knows exactly what is going on and isn't relying on the New York Times, harried staffers, and pundits as direct sources.

	24-09-2004 00:28									#6
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Saw a bit of that speech... It's agood thing the united Iraqi people can now enter democracy without the fear of violins.

Otherwise they are going to hell in a handbasket.

	24-09-2004 00:30									#7
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quote: Does that include Hurricane destroyed Florida?

There were no hurricanes the last time. So, I guess you just CANT hold elections in Florida, period.

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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle Yes, and as we know, John Kerry has helped run Iraq in tandem with Allawi, so he knows exactly what is going on and isn't relying on the New York Times, harried staffers, and pundits as direct sources.

Alawi is "running Iraq"?

Its pretty easy to know what is going on in Iraq- besides the newsmedia you ask non-for profits, the UN, and look at the very public statements by the Iraqi authorities themselves.

	24-09-2004 00:32									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle Yes, and as we know, John Kerry has helped run Iraq in tandem with Allawi, so he knows exactly what is going on and isn't relying on the New York Times, harried staffers, and pundits as direct sources.

Are you trying to imply Kerry wouldn't even take the time to get his security breifings as campaigning takes all precedence over competancy to make a decision?

	24-09-2004 00:33									#10
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I thought that article looked fishy- it's Guardian stuff. They write as if the idea that Iraq is a hellhole is concrete fact.

	24-09-2004 00:33									#11
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And Kerry thinks that he can build a better coalition? Not by insulting our allies he won't.

	24-09-2004 00:35									#12
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat And Kerry thinks that he can build a better coalition? Not by insulting our allies he won't.

These Iraqis are our lapdogs right now essentially. After all, the survival of these guys is based solely on 135,000 US troops plus being there to protect them.

	24-09-2004 00:38									#13
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat And Kerry thinks that he can build a better coalition? Not by insulting our allies he won't.

Number of allies insulted by Kerry - 1 (Iraq)
Number of allies insulted by Bush 279 - (Rest of world)

	24-09-2004 01:06									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe Are you trying to imply Kerry wouldn't even take the time to get his security breifings as campaigning takes all precedence over competancy to make a decision?

Hmmm, could be.

	24-09-2004 01:20									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe Does that include Hurricane destroyed Florida?

The government has lost all control of Florida? You can't go there right now without getting into a firefight with a bunch of heavily armed militants? Wow, those were some hurricanes!

	24-09-2004 01:38									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Gibsie I thought that article looked fishy- it's Guardian stuff. They write as if the idea that Iraq is a hellhole is concrete fact.

um . . . . . . it IS a hellhole!

	24-09-2004 01:39									#17
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The point re: the Guardian stands, however. Not exactly a paragon of journalistic integrity.

-Arrian

	24-09-2004 01:45									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Kontiki The government has lost all control of Florida? You can't go there right now without getting into a firefight with a bunch of heavily armed militants? Wow, those were some hurricanes!

Joke, Kontiki, joke.

	24-09-2004 01:56									#19
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I searched through the article, and couldn't find the words "liar" or "stooge" anywhere. Did you accidentally link to the wrong one?

	24-09-2004 02:10									#20
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I bet you didn't use the Nedaverse dictionary

	24-09-2004 02:12									#21
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quote: Originally posted by GePap These Iraqis are our lapdogs right now essentially. After all, the survival of these guys is based solely on 135,000 US troops plus being there to protect them.

And Kerry's political life is on life support if anything appears to be going good in Iraq, so I don't expect Kerry to be saying anything good is happening regardless of reality. Just as I expect Bush to be trying to paint a positive picture since it's in his best interest regardless of reality.

Anyone that is expecting anything else probably should be on drugs.

	24-09-2004 02:13									#22
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quote: Originally posted by rah And Kerry's political life is on life support if anything appears to be going good in Iraq, so I don't expect Kerry to be saying anything good is happening regardless of reality. Just as I expect Bush to be trying to paint a positive picture since it's in his best interest regardless of reality.

The difference is that Kerry's statements have a basis more grounded in that nasty thing called reality.

	24-09-2004 02:16									#23
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Well with the lack of confidence most folk have in the media as a whole it seems particularly difficult to make the proper assessment.

	24-09-2004 02:18									#24
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See, thanks to trash like The Guardian people like GePap think they know exactly how good or bad it is in Iraq. But the Liberal media would never report the good stuff, as they all hate Bush.

	24-09-2004 02:20									#25
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Well we can either view/listen to lib media or conservative Fox. Picks and chooses. One says white the other says black.

	24-09-2004 02:24									#26
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Which only helps Bush, sadly enough.

If anything, coverage of Iraq is focused on the violence and not deeper problems, like chronic unemployment, the uneven rebuilding efforts, and the issues about the coming elections, such as this attempt by the exile parties to form one single gigantic list, thus giving Iraqis a real "democratic choice"...

	24-09-2004 02:48									#27
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quote: The point re: the Guardian stands, however. Not exactly a paragon of journalistic integrity.

There's nothing wrong with the Guardian. It's a liberal paper, but the news and editorial remain separate, unlike in Murdoch's rags.

	24-09-2004 03:04									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Gibsie See, thanks to trash like The Guardian people like GePap think they know exactly how good or bad it is in Iraq. But the Liberal media would never report the good stuff, as they all hate Bush.

We can acknowledge any progress we might be making in parts of Iraq, but we cannot ignore the serious problems that could ultimately prevent United States and peace-minded Iraqis from achieving their goals.

	24-09-2004 03:26									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon There's nothing wrong with the Guardian. It's a liberal paper, but the news and editorial remain separate, unlike in Murdoch's rags.

I'd grant you its no Murdoch paint by numbers (only two numbers, 1 black and 2 white) but The Guardian writes news in an assumptive way, making strong implications and glaring omissions.

	24-09-2004 03:48									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Remember, folks, that Kerry was a declared enemy of the government of South Vietnam as well. He is at least consistent on this kind of issue.

You mean another unsustainable government of US lackeys and stooges that just ends up being a leech on US manpower and money?