12-10-2004 00:25									#301
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While we're waiting for them to send orders, let's discuss another one of my ideas on how to stop a spy.

Instead of paying for counter-espionage or having spies in the same service, I suggest that every player receive a number of counter-espionage options from the start (let's say 3, maybe less, surely not more) which can be used to immunise the said player against spies for one turn at any time, but which are exhausted after use and cannot be rebuilt.

How about that?

	12-10-2004 01:30									#302
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The thing is at present the only thing stopping allied forces rampaging is the fact that one of their members may receive a sly spy. I like it the way it is.

It's important to focus on the fact that the problem is with spy farming at later stages, not spies per se.

	12-10-2004 01:45									#303
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Not bad....what else?

	12-10-2004 03:13									#304
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike The thing is at present the only thing stopping allied forces rampaging is the fact that one of their members may receive a sly spy. I like it the way it is. It's important to focus on the fact that the problem is with spy farming at later stages, not spies per se.

An unscrupulous alliance can exploit spies. We see this happening in front of our eyes.

Now, I can't understand how they can remain together when it's obvious only one of them will profit from the alliance. A smart move for one of them would be to betray his allies now. If he were to defect now, he would profit much from it because he could eliminate all three of his "allies" that way (by disclosing the "alliance's" plans to Spaced Cowboy and Smiley).

He could then ally with Smiley against Spaced Cowboy, then betray Smiley and capture his bases while Spaced defends. He then finishes off what is left of Spaced and claims victory.

A simple plan. I wonder who of the "allies" has the guts for it.

	12-10-2004 03:21									#305
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I haven't been following this game. Fill me in.

	12-10-2004 03:28									#306
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Is this a joke?

If you are serious, Kassi, joncha, GT and Skanky are allied against Spaced Cowboy and Smiley who are not allied. The Grand alliance is building two spies a turn and using the other two spies they built last turn.

They are behaving effectively as a colony, hence one entity. And they are abusing the spies. Smiley and Spaced Cowboy can do nothing but sit down and wait the inevitable: An assault when the alliance becomes strong enough.

Now, if Smiley and Spoaced Cowboy had possessed only a couple of counter-espionage options, they would have been able to at least fight back.

I think that using spies like this is a clear exploit and I'm trying to find the way to prevent something like this from repeating.

	12-10-2004 03:28									#307
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Right now there's a four way alliance of GT, Skanky, Joncha, and Kass. GT and Skanky both have about 12 bases, Joncha and Kass are client states with around 4 bases apiece. On each turn, two build spies, the other two use them on me and Spaced (the only other two players) thus effectively locking down the game until they can build up a huge numerical advantage.

	12-10-2004 04:23									#308
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We are none of us as duplicitous as yourself, Ljube. We honour our alliances.

	12-10-2004 07:51									#309
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Though why do you enter it, fully knowing you'd take casualties first? Are they offering you the bulk of the bases?

	12-10-2004 09:40									#310
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Both seem quite inelegant compared to the current solution.

However, unlike the current solution the other suggestions may actually stop the exploit from occuring.

And I must apologise for not having net access the past few days. The computer I was using crashed yesterday and now the cd drive refuses to work, so I can't install stuff like an operating system on that computer until I get a working one. Now at the library... *sigh*

Working on orders now.

	12-10-2004 09:43									#311
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Allies, if you get the chance to pm me sometime soon...

Otherwise, orders sent.

	12-10-2004 10:19									#312
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Planning how to divvy up the galaxy after the battle? Remember, there can only be one!

	12-10-2004 13:26									#313
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quote: Originally posted by joncha We are none of us as duplicitous as yourself, Ljube. We honour our alliances.

You think the others will honour it if you do? LOL! I was wondering why you changed your avatar, but now I know

	12-10-2004 13:35									#314
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Regardless of the outcome, I know I will die with honour.

	12-10-2004 20:06									#315
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There is no honor in being a client state.

	12-10-2004 22:56									#316
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Turn 10 - Alliance's communication problems


Priority one sub-space message was sent from Earth to joncha, Kassiopeia and Skanky Burns. It was a personal message from GeneralTacticus that the time had come for a decisive attack on Smiley.

A few days later the huge Federation fleet arrived at the agreed assembly point. Only Kassiopeia’s tiny fleet was there. Skanky Burns and joncha have betrayed the allied cause. Perhaps they finally understood they could gain nothing from this so-called alliance and bailed out in time. Or perhaps they had a hidden agenda. Anyways, they were not there.

Kassiopeia and General Tacticus sat together to consider for a while what to do and then decided to push on. They knew that the chances were slim they could defeat the mighty Romulans without their allies, but thought that to return home now would be even worse than to die fighting.

They were very surprised when they arrived at Romulus and found the place completely deserted. They captured 18(!) bases without a fight.

******

So, where was Smiley then? Attacking Skanky Burns. It seems Skanky’s gamble didn’t quite pay off.

Battle No. 1: Smiley attacks Skanky Burns
Smiley: 10TT, 10FD, 4TD, 2LF, 249FF, OoB: TTF-FLL, back off, bunch together
Skanky Burns: 25LT, 8FT, 14TT, 5LD, 4FD, 5TD, 1LF, OoB: LLT-TFF, close in, bunch together

264T – 146L – Skanky Burns takes 118 hits
264T – 146L – Skanky Burns takes 118 hits
289F – 180T – Skanky Burns takes 109 hits

Smiley’s fleet is unscratched while Skanky Burns takes staggering 345 points of damage. All of his laser ships are destroyed. In addition to this, he loses 5 torpedo dreadnaughts, 1 torpedo titan and another torpedo titan is damaged. The number of torpedo ships is reduced to 12 torpedo titans for the next three rounds.

289F – 120T – Skanky Burns takes 169 hits
4L – 28F – Smiley takes 24 hits
4L – 28F – Smiley takes 24 hits

Skanky’s total damage is 514 hits. He loses all his remaining torpedo ships, all carrier dreadnaughts and one carrier titan. Only his seven carrier titans survive, but even that is enough to stop the Romulans from capturing all his bases.

*******

Meanwhile, Spaced Cowboy has tried his newly formed counter-espionage service in which he has invested much. The service was confident Skanky Burns would send a spy this time, so they concentrated on Klingon agents, ignoring Human agents completely. This soon proved unwise as a spy General Tacticus sent against the Space Dudes managed to sabotage the shield constructed around the newly built Spaced Cowboy’s base. Reportedly, the reason they didn’t commit any resources towards preventing Human spies from entering their space was because their intelligence and counter-intelligence services engaged in a bitter rivalry over the contest to be the first to capture an intruder. I guess Space Dudes need a new Ministry: The Ministry of Homeland Security.

code:




 
Player Name
 
Bases
 
BPs
 
TotalShips
 
Frigates(1)
 
Cruisers(2)
 
Battleships(3)
 
Dreadnaughts(4)
 
Titans(5)
 



 
Las
 
Fig
 
Torp
 
Las
 
Fig
 
Torp
 
Las
 
Fig
 
Torp
 
Las
 
Fig
 
Torp
 
Las
 
Fig
 
Torp
 



 
 Smiley
 
(1)
 
2
 
2/265/66
 
2
 
225
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
10
 
4
 
-
 
-
 
10
 



GeneralTacticus
 
7(14)
 
63
 
109/109/109
 
7
 
7
 
7
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
1
 
1
 
1
 
1
 
1
 
1
 
19
 
19
 
19
 



 
joncha 
 
1(4)
 
13
 
32/32/32
 
28
 
22
 
20
 
-
 
1
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
1
 
2
 
3
 
-
 
-
 
-
 



 
Kassiopeia
 
1(12)
 
29
 
45/57/46
 
10
 
11
 
5
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
1
 
1
 
5
 
7
 
7
 
3
 
3
 
2
 



 
Skanky Burns
 
6(3)
 
36
 
0/35/0
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
7
 
-
 


 
Spaced Cowboy
 
7(8)
 
53
 
95/106/116
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
4
 
4
 
19
 
18
 
20
 

	12-10-2004 23:02									#317
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* Kassiopeia slaps Skanky around a bit with a large trout

	13-10-2004 00:59									#318
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O my, things suddenly change again. Spaced looks to be back in business, and GT is the highest tree around now.

	13-10-2004 03:09									#319
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It's RAMPAGE TIME! Time to flip out and conquer some bases!

Last edited by :) Smiley on 13-10-2004 at 05:19

	13-10-2004 08:10									#320
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Not like you can do much else, ain't it?

	13-10-2004 09:13									#321
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* Skanky Burns grumbles about lack of net access.

	13-10-2004 10:10									#322
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Despite our setbacks, the alliance is intact.

	13-10-2004 13:35									#323
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Orders sent. Glory to the Alliance!

	13-10-2004 13:51									#324
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Glory belongs to the victor. And there can be only one.

	13-10-2004 13:59									#325
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Sent.

	13-10-2004 17:07									#326
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Sent.

	13-10-2004 17:46									#327
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Sent.

	13-10-2004 18:02									#328
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sent

	13-10-2004 20:00									#329
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No more secret handshake, eh?

	13-10-2004 20:06									#330
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You saw how the last secret handshake ended up.