10-10-2004 07:04									#271
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sent

	10-10-2004 07:17									#272
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I sent my orders in sometime yesterday, too. Just to let everyone know.

	10-10-2004 07:20									#273
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damn tonnage marker, makes my all frigates strategy less viable.

	10-10-2004 08:50									#274
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That was actually a strategy and not just an ego boosting / making the GM's job easier thing?

	10-10-2004 09:05									#275
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I thought that Whoha and I had the role of making both the early attack with Frigates and the building bases with no ships strategies both obsolete

.....and I thought we both did quite well ...in making those strategies seem obviously unworkable

* Sparrowhawk

Note: Didn't Smiley try the same strategy as Whoha a couple of games ago? and last until almost the very end by using it as well??

	10-10-2004 09:31									#276
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Yeah, but that was because I didn't raise a shield on a crucial turn that he won that game.

	10-10-2004 09:36									#277
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I'm not sure that it is a bad strat, Whoha just attacked every turn, which made sliding in with 1-2 ships and taking his bases...easy.

	10-10-2004 10:13									#278
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Interesting strategies from various GO games:
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Attack early and often
I used this strategy effectively in the first GO game until I was clearly in the lead and everyone else decided to ally.

All-laser fleet
Used in an earlier game under a different rules system where all six rounds were fought before damage was calculated. Opponents had a hard time guessing exactly where in the OoB the lasers would be and took heavy damage. Downside was mutual annihilation when encountering another laser fleet.

Torpedoes and Fighters fleet
Especially useful now that some battles end after the third round, allows firepower concentration. Its predictablity means however that it can be countered by lasers and fighters.

Building bases past the first 6
While this gives lots of BPs without having as many bases, reducing attractiveness of self as a target, players still tend to go after the leader.

Spy abuse
While the rule change from the last game prevented Infinite Spy Sleaze with a single player, two or more players working together can still lock down the battlefield and choose when to fight.

Alliance backstabbing
Pays off very well the first and only time.

Single ship attacks
Like playing the lotto. The opportunity cost is significant though, as spies and shields are also nice things to have.

	10-10-2004 10:18									#279
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Speaking of spy abuse, I recommend changing the rules so that someone can only be spied successfully 2 rounds in a row. The 3rd round they are immune from everyone's spies. The fourth round they can be spied again. This prevents both 2-player lockup at the endgame and alliance lockup of enemies, while allowing people to build spies and use them in the same round.

	10-10-2004 11:29									#280
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Or, for every successive turn, it takes one more spy to stop the orders from getting through.

	10-10-2004 14:06									#281
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Both seem quite inelegant compared to the current solution.

	10-10-2004 17:51									#282
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Turn 9 - The GM is getting anxious


When is this battle going to happen? The GM and the spectators are anxious and are starting to become restless.


*******


The Klingons didn’t build a single ship this time. They are probably still trying to recover form the slaughter of their ship construction engineers in the last turn.

The others built ships to the maximum of their production capacity and repeated the routine of sending saboteurs against Smiley and Spaced Cowboy. The two spies managed to stop the planned attacks against Skanky Burns and General Tacticus respectively.

However, Kassiopeia’s spy sent against Spaced Cowboy was captured just after he had destroyed the depot containing the entire reserves of dylithium crystals of the Empire of Space Dudes. The spy was summarily executed. Perhaps if Spaced Cowboy’s counter-intelligence service had been working more efficiently and with larger budget, they might have been able to capture the spy before he could do the actual damage. Spaced Cowboy would have been able to carry out his planned attack then.

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Player Name
 
Bases
 
BPs
 
TotalShips
 
Frigates(1)
 
Cruisers(2)
 
Battleships(3)
 
Dreadnaughts(4)
 
Titans(5)
 



 
Las
 
Fig
 
Torp
 
Las
 
Fig
 
Torp
 
Las
 
Fig
 
Torp
 
Las
 
Fig
 
Torp
 
Las
 
Fig
 
Torp
 



 
 Smiley
 
6(12)
 
54
 
2/235/66
 
2
 
195
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
10
 
4
 
-
 
-
 
10
 



GeneralTacticus
 
7(5)
 
45
 
94/94/94
 
7
 
7
 
7
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
1
 
1
 
1
 
1
 
1
 
1
 
16
 
16
 
16
 



 
joncha 
 
1(4)
 
13
 
28/28/27
 
24
 
18
 
15
 
-
 
1
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
1
 
2
 
3
 
-
 
-
 
-
 



 
Kassiopeia
 
1(3)
 
11
 
45/46/46
 
10
 
-
 
5
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
1
 
1
 
5
 
7
 
7
 
3
 
3
 
2
 



 
Skanky Burns
 
6(4)
 
80
 
66/56/90
 
1
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
5
 
4
 
5
 
9
 
8
 
14
 


 
Spaced Cowboy
 
6(8)
 
46
 
95/106/96
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
4
 
4
 
19
 
18
 
16
 

	10-10-2004 18:06									#283
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To counter the spy exploit I suggest the following modification to the rules: Introduction of another normal order called counter espionage. It would cost money (how much? 25 BP perhaps?) and it would immunise you against spies for one turn.

	10-10-2004 18:25									#284
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25BP for immunity for one turn? Ridiculous.

	10-10-2004 18:37									#285
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Another interesting idea, which would prevent players from using spies to create total lockups while avoiding an arbitary limit on when spies can be used. I like it.

EDIT: Although perhaps we could say that each level purchased only defends against one spy; if more are sent, you catch the first one, and the others get through and do their thing regardless.

	10-10-2004 19:40									#286
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike 25BP for immunity for one turn? Ridiculous.

Too cheap or too expensive?

Or you don't like the idea at all?

	10-10-2004 19:41									#287
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The idea has merit, but 25 BP seems a lot. It only defends for one turn right?

	10-10-2004 19:57									#288
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It's only an idea so the details would need to be worked out.

I have another, similar idea which wouldn't include any additional cost. The idea is borrowed from Society.

You can use your spy to protect your homeworld against any espionage that turn. If we agree to this, then we should scrap the limit on spy stockpiles (which is three now) or increase it at least.

	10-10-2004 21:22									#289
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sent! If something doesn't happen soon, I just going to resign.

	10-10-2004 21:26									#290
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Hey, I'd pay 25 BP right now to stop these spies. Though I wouldn't at the start of the game. Sent

quote: The Official Galactic Overlord Webpage Real Ultimate Power Hi, this site is all about Galactic Overlords, REAL Galactic Overlords. This site is awesome. My name is Smiley and I can't stop thinking about Galactic Overlords. These guys are cool; and by cool, I mean totally sweet. Facts 1. Galactic Overlords are sometimes mammals 2. Galactic Overlords command starships ALL the time. 3. The purpose of Galactic Overlords is to flip out and conquer bases. Weapons and gear Lasers Fighters Torpedos Testimonial Galactic Overlords can conquer anything they want! Galactic Overlords conquer ALL the time and don't even think twice about it. These guys are so crazy and awesome that they flip out ALL the time. I heard that there was this Galactic Overlord who was eating at a diner. And when some dude forgot to raise shields the Galactic Overlord killed the whole town. My friend Jamski said that he saw a Galactic Overlord totally uppercut some kid just because the kid said spaceships suck. And that's what I call REAL Ultimate Power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you don't believe that Galactic Overlords have REAL Ultimate Power you better get a life right now or they will zap your head off!!! It's an easy choice, if you ask me. Galactic Overlords are sooooooooooo sweet that I want to crap my pants. I can't believe it sometimes, but I feel it inside my heart. These guys are totally awesome and that's a fact. Galactic Overlords are fast, smooth, cool, strong, powerful, and sweet. I can't wait to start space academy next year. I love Galactic Overlords with all of my body (including my pee pee). Q and A: Q: Why is everyone so obsessed about Galactic Overlords? A: Galactic Overlords are the ultimate paradox. On the one hand they know about how to invade dozens of bases, but on the other hand, they can't stop a spy. Q: I heard that Galactic Overlords are always cruel or mean. What's their problem? A: Whoever told you that is a total liar. Just like other mammals and other non-mammalian life, Galactic Overlordss can be mean OR totally awesome. Q: What do Galactic Overlords do when they're not conquering planets or flipping out? A: Most of their free time is spent playing forum games, but sometime they zap. (Ask Jamski if you don't believe me.) http://apolyton.net/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3016403 This is a picture of my best friends Jam, Spaced, Ljube, and Doc. They're a lot older than me and are in space academy, which is bragable. realultimatepower.net

	10-10-2004 22:22									#291
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And I've seen the other sortlike pages already.

	10-10-2004 23:57									#292
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@ Smiley.

Edit out those EEs though.

	11-10-2004 02:06									#293
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orders sent

	11-10-2004 02:41									#294
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Fookin Smiley is not right in the head. LOL

	11-10-2004 02:53									#295
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Maybe he's been at your stash.

	11-10-2004 11:49									#296
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Orders sent, btw.

Last edited by GeneralTacticus on 11-10-2004 at 12:01

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Sent.

	11-10-2004 22:49									#298
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Well, Skanky Burns didn't send orders and GeneralTacticus sent illegal orders (I frown upon your shameless attempts ). I'll wait for our two Aussies until tomorrow afternoon.

If they don't send their orders until 17:00 GMT+1 tomorrow, I'll use their defaults.

	11-10-2004 22:53									#299
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I think destroying your own fleet should be the default.

	11-10-2004 23:33									#300
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* Kassiopeia carefully rolls his eyes at the seeming inability from the Downunderers to send proper and timely orders