01-10-2004 20:38									#121
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sent.

	01-10-2004 21:39									#122
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike At least I feel to honourable opponents. Joncha doesn't need Murraying. Kass on the other hand, looks like the strongest contender for galactic overlord at this stage.

Does that count as an anti-Murray?

	01-10-2004 21:43									#123
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Doc, you're slipping, all you're doing is counting bases. Further analysis would reveal that GT, while having fewer bases than Kass, has more production.

	01-10-2004 23:34									#124
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Uh, the murray has never ever been based on logic. It just always works.

	02-10-2004 02:42									#125
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sent

	02-10-2004 07:36									#126
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Turn 4 - Big gamble


Pretty uneventful turn. Everyone building. Only one big gamble. Whoha tried to catch Skanky Burns off guard. And he nearly succeeded. However, once more an adequately chosen OoB saved Skanky’s neck:

Battle 1: Whoha attacks Skanky Burns
Whoha: 50TF + 1TF damaged, 30FF, OoB: TTF-FLL, back off, normal
Skanky Burns: 1LT, 1FT, 1TT, 5LD, 5FD, 5TD, 1LF, 1FF, 1TF, OoB: FTL-LFT, normal, normal

50T – 52F – Whoha takes 2 hits
50T – 26T – Skanky Burns takes 24 hits
30F – 26L – Skanky Burns takes 4 hits

Whoha loses 1 torpedo frigate, and Skanky Burns loses 1 carrier frigate, 3 carrier dreadnaughts and one of his carrier dreadnaughts is damaged.

30F – 26L – Skanky Burns takes 4 hits
0L – 9F – Whoha takes 9 hits
0L – 52T – Whoha takes 52 hits

Skanky’s already damaged carrier dreadnaught is further damaged, while Whoha loses additional 30 torpedo frigates to a total of 32 torpedo frigates lost (including the damaged one).
Whoha is defeated and he must withdraw, but where?

It proves to be nowhere, because Spaced Cowboy has already taken control of Whoha's bases.
Whoha remains baseless.

code:




 
Player Name
 
Bases
 
BPs
 
TotalShips
 
Frigates(1)
 
Cruisers(2)
 
Battleships(3)
 
Dreadnaughts(4)
 
Titans(5)
 



 
Las
 
Fig
 
Torp
 
Las
 
Fig
 
Torp
 
Las
 
Fig
 
Torp
 
Las
 
Fig
 
Torp
 
Las
 
Fig
 
Torp
 



 
 Smiley
  
5
 
25
 
21
 
2
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
10
 
9
 
-
 
-
 
-
 



GeneralTacticus
  
6(5)
 
59
 
30
 
6
 
6
 
6
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
1
 
1
 
1
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
3
 
3
 
3
 



 
joncha 
  
1(1)
 
7
 
9
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
1
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
3
 
2
 
3
 
-
 
-
 
-
 



 
Kassiopeia
  
5(7)
 
41
 
29
 
-
 
-
 
2
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
2
 
2
 
2
 
7
 
7
 
7
 
-
 
-
 
-
 



 
Kuciwalker
6
 
30
 
19
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
1
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
6
 
6
 
6
 



 
Skanky Burns
 
6(4)
 
39
 
16[2]
 
1
 
-
 
1
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
5
 
1[2]
 
5
 
1
 
1
 
1
 


 
Spaced Cowboy
  
5(8)
 
42
 
19
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
4
 
4
 
11
 
-
 
-
 



 
Whoha
-
 
-
 
54
 
-
 
30
 
24
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 

Last edited by Ljube on 02-10-2004 at 16:25

	02-10-2004 07:44									#127
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Wait... did you get rid of the fleet-without-bases rules?

	02-10-2004 07:46									#128
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The rule is only applied if the fleet runs into a shield.

	02-10-2004 07:49									#129
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Why should that make a difference to the fleet?

	02-10-2004 07:58									#130
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The rules say so. Previously (in GO1) such a fleet would be lost.

	02-10-2004 07:58									#131
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how about making my fleet fight to the death then?

	02-10-2004 07:59									#132
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quote: Originally posted by Ljube-ljcvetko The rules say so. Previously (in GO1) such a fleet would be lost.

Yes, which is why it was changed a couple of games ago...

	02-10-2004 08:02									#133
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Whoha's idea is excellent. I suggest a rule change:

Any fleet that loses a combat and also loses home bases fights to the death.

Fleets that run into a shield stay alive without bases.

	02-10-2004 08:04									#134
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I really don't understand why they wouldn't stay alive without bases in this case too, but you're the GM...

	02-10-2004 08:08									#135
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Since this situation is not covered by the rules, I thought it was proper to apply the former rule which was broader.

	02-10-2004 08:16									#136
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Actually, this is exactly what happened to Kassiopeia in GO3, and he was left with a base-less fleet:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...30&pagenumber=4

	02-10-2004 08:22									#137
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True. So shall we consider this case analogue to the one described in the rules?

If so, I shall amend the rules to avoid future confusion.


EDIT: Whoha, please stand by. Let the players decide.

	02-10-2004 08:37									#138
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I think my vote is clear.

	02-10-2004 09:17									#139
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Let him live.

Oh yeah, I built 5 titans, not dreadnoughts.

	02-10-2004 11:27									#140
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Considering he eliminated me I would say let him die, but in the interest of my playing in the future and possibly being in the same situation, I would say let him live. However, compiling these two obviously contradictory positions with the fact that I am eliminated (and inebriated as I type this message) maybe my vote doesn't really count anyway

* Sparrowhawk

	02-10-2004 12:01									#141
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Actually your vote should count more, since what you decide has no impact on you during this game.

	02-10-2004 14:47									#142
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He should attempt to retake.

However the precedent is that he retains his fleet with no bases, and if we are playing that rule for shield repelled attacks then we should also play it for this situation.

Afterwards I'd say change it - I thought we already did.

	02-10-2004 16:18									#143
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You are right Doc. I should follow the precedent.

OK, I'll restore Whoha and he may send his orders.

	02-10-2004 19:59									#144
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I thought that this was already decided, but probably not in the rules. Whoha keeps his fleet but is baseless. He can still try to attack someone, but looses 10% of his fleet each trun to attrition.

However, I don't think that a person that looses their bases should survive more than three turns. Perhaps the attrition should be higher, and happen at the end of each turn.

	02-10-2004 20:33									#145
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Well then sent, I'd have prefered the fight to the death option, since i'm pretty well hosed at this moment, but ah well.

	02-10-2004 20:40									#146
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BTW, sorry Whoha, but you are getting somewhat predictable.

	03-10-2004 00:15									#147
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its just a game spaced.

	03-10-2004 00:24									#148
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I know, just doing some damage control.

	03-10-2004 00:32									#149
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Whoha, you could of simply ordered your ships to fight to the death when attacking.

	03-10-2004 01:19									#150
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley Whoha, you could of simply ordered your ships to fight to the death when attacking.

* GeoModder nods.