28-09-2004 02:07									#31
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Live in the dorms, get a roommate...

	28-09-2004 02:08									#32
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Move further away, or to a smaller place.

And you mean to tell me that there are no jobs at all, no businesses, 100% unemployment and nobody is hiring, and people are just wandering around dazed and confused and dropping dead of starvation in the streets?

I've also found plenty of places that never really verified my income. And if money isn't a problem, then you obviously can just suck up that rent increase.

When I can get a job to shovel and haul about four tons of wet clay in 8 hours for 10 bucks an hour, don't expect any sympathy for *****ing about how ****ing hard and unfair life is.

	28-09-2004 02:10									#33
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I'm married, and I have a 5 year old Japher.

I'm not going down this path. It should be very simple to understand what is happening in American to millions of people.

Again, I don't believe that you guys are incapable of seeing things clearly here.

	28-09-2004 02:12									#34
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We can't see clearly because we think you are capable of helping yourself? Yeah, maybe...

-Arrian

	28-09-2004 02:12									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Move then. Somewhere with a better housing situation (i.e. anyplace other than CA). -Arrian

I'm thinking about it, but I'm going to college right now. Anyway why should I have to move? Are poor people no longer allowed to live in California?

	28-09-2004 02:13									#36
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You have a 5 year old Japher?...poor sod.

	28-09-2004 02:14									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian We can't see clearly because we think you are capable of helping yourself? Yeah, maybe... -Arrian

You think that for no good reason Arrian. You ignore reality.

	28-09-2004 02:14									#38
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So? I'm divorced and have a 17 and a 3 year old.

As the Marine Force Recon saying goes: Adapt, Improvise and Overcome.

If you want to ***** about things not being given to you on your terms, fine, but don't expect anyone to cut you any slack for it.

	28-09-2004 02:14									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison You have a 5 year old Japher?...poor sod.

No.

	28-09-2004 02:16									#40
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat As the Marine Force Recon saying goes: Adapt, Improvise and Overcome.

Marines die, especially recon.

	28-09-2004 02:16									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious I'm thinking about it, but I'm going to college right now. Anyway why should I have to move? Are poor people no longer allowed to live in California?

Ah, college throws a wrinkle into it, no doubt. Can you transfer?

-Arrian

	28-09-2004 02:17									#42
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So you get to apply the luxury of applying the concept of Adapt, Improvise and Overcome without people trying to kill you.

	28-09-2004 02:18									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Ah, college throws a wrinkle into it, no doubt. Can you transfer? -Arrian

Yeah, I can tranfer, but you always lose units. Sometimes a lot.

	28-09-2004 02:19									#44
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat So you get to apply the luxury of applying the concept of Adapt, Improvise and Overcome without people trying to kill you.

People are trying to kill me, by saying that I'm not in danger

	28-09-2004 02:21									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious You think that for no good reason Arrian. You ignore reality.

No, I think that due to the many threads we have posted in together. Or rather, I think that based on what you've said in those threads... and in this one.

You said you had $5000 in spare cash. Right there, I would say your claims of poverty are overblown.

Second, your problem is essentially cost of living, which everyone knows is insane out in Cali. So, the most obvious solution is to move!

Look, I have a friend who lives just outside of Boston. He teaches up there. He is now paying $1600/month in rent for 1 floor of a 3-story house. I, meanwhile, live in central CT, and we (my fiancee and I) pay ~$1100/month on our mortgage (on a 3-bedroom cape with 1/4 acre of land, etc, etc). Jon *****es about the cost of living in Boston. I tell him jokingly to move to central CT, then. He says he couldn't survive down here, 'cause it's boring, basically. I therefore have just about zero sympathy for any financial issues that arise from his choice to live in the Boston 'burbs.

Obviously, everyone's situation is different, but the basics of income vs. cost of living are pretty simple.

-Arrian

	28-09-2004 02:24									#46
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Ok. I'm going to pretend to assume that MtG believes that people only become homeless by fault of their own.

MtG, Japher, and I go camping. MtG and I go for a little hike. I fall off a cliff, but I'm hanging on to a branch. MtG goes back to camp. Japher asks where I am. MtG says "He'll be in shortly. He got hung up."

Is this not murder?

	28-09-2004 02:26									#47
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Why did you fall off the cliff?

-Arrian

	28-09-2004 02:27									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Why did you fall off the cliff? -Arrian

I jumped off. Of course.

	28-09-2004 02:30									#49
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I was kidding!

Anyway, my answer is this:

MtG should try to help, but isn't obligated to get himself killed trying to save you (unless MtG is a search & rescue guy). So it kinda depends on how hard it would be to save you...

-Arrian

	28-09-2004 02:32									#50
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You miss the point. He told Japher that I was fine.

	28-09-2004 02:36									#51
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I'm sorry, maybe I'm missing something. You have a wife and kid and are desperately poor (apparently), but you're still going to college? In other words, you're purposely giving up time where you could be making money in favor of shelling money out?

Something doesn't compute.

	28-09-2004 02:36									#52
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For this analogy to work you need to have the means to improve your own position

	28-09-2004 02:39									#53
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Then its NOT murder-- sure you were on the side of a cliff but you had rope and grommets and a harness-- it ws totally within yourself to make things better-- you have all the necessary resources

	28-09-2004 02:39									#54
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Didn't miss it. I deliberately ignored it.

Perhaps you're clearly capable of pulling yourself back over the edge.

It's a silly analogy, Kid. But assuming your life is in peril, and MtG ignores that and furthermore tells another person that you're fine (thus hiding the knowledge of your plight and preventing Japher from perhaps taking action to save you), it's clearly wrong. Dunno if it fits the definition of murder, but that's not really important.

-Arrian

	28-09-2004 02:43									#55
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ohh

as for the homeless-- here in calgary 90% of the homeless suffer from addictions or mental disabilities insufficient to institutionalize them. Some more are people temporarily down on their luck but the reality is that if you can get cleaned up, you can get a job.


I had a 15 year old kid ( hand in hand with a similar aged girl) solicit money for "food" from me. he was nicely dressed and over his shoulder I could see about 5 help wanted signs at burger joints. Its not glamerous but he wouldn't go hungry

	28-09-2004 03:03									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Didn't miss it. I deliberately ignored it. Perhaps you're clearly capable of pulling yourself back over the edge. It's a silly analogy, Kid. But assuming your life is in peril, and MtG ignores that and furthermore tells another person that you're fine (thus hiding the knowledge of your plight and preventing Japher from perhaps taking action to save you), it's clearly wrong. Dunno if it fits the definition of murder, but that's not really important. -Arrian

If I die is MtG stupid or is he a murderer? You have to be prettty stupid not to recognize when someone is in danger like that.

	28-09-2004 03:04									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Kontiki I'm sorry, maybe I'm missing something. You have a wife and kid and are desperately poor (apparently), but you're still going to college? In other words, you're purposely giving up time where you could be making money in favor of shelling money out? Something doesn't compute.

Ah, so your advice is to quit college. Wow, I wasn't expecting any kind of helpfull advice like that.

	28-09-2004 03:05									#58
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kid

My better analogy is a group in the woods with a large deep ravine. Some start at the top of the ravine and others halfway up. Some have ladders and climbing gear.

You have rope dangling in front of you. You can work hard and climb that rope or you can sit down and complain about the fact that others had better gear or started further up than you . . .. your choice.

	28-09-2004 03:06									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious If I die is MtG stupid or is he a murderer? You have to be prettty stupid not to recognize when someone is in danger like that.

Nope -- change it so you are in a hole with a ladder next to you-- you are fine. Its not MTG's fault that you can't be bothered to climb the ladder.

	28-09-2004 03:08									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Ah, so your advice is to quit college. Wow, I wasn't expecting any kind of helpfull advice like that.

well don't complain so much about something YOU could change. When I was in college I worked and roomed with 4 other guys in a poorer section of town. Whats the issue??