30-09-2004 10:22									#91
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I was worried that you had actually lost your cool for a moment there AH.

	30-09-2004 10:23									#92
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nah - I was just toying with the blowhard.

	30-09-2004 12:03									#93
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On second thought, Horse, I'd bring along my Marine Corp nephew. The two of us might be able to dish it out for a good while before you Aussies took tail and ran.

	30-09-2004 12:29									#94
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Oh I wouldn't sully my own hands

	30-09-2004 13:34									#95
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quote: Originally posted by MalevolentLight It has been proven that increased punishment for crimes results in a decrease in crime. Instituting the death penalty has been proven to lower the murder rate.

Sure, and next you'll be telling us the Easter Bunny is real.


Canada: Death penalty abolished in 1974, murder rates have steadily decreased since then.
US: Has the death penalty and murder rates are high.

Conservatives need to face reality: Murderers don't give a shite about the death penalty. They are either too stupid to think about the consequences or they have a death wish.

And face the simple fact that conservative policies that use the court system to fight crime always fail. If you want to reduce crime then reduce poverty. It's simple, which is why the conservatives can't grasp the concept.

	30-09-2004 16:16									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse we have lots of guns too but we have a very low murder rate Crazy Americans.......John Wayne has a lot to answer for.

Wayne is a symptom, not a disease. And I thought you guys were in the midst of having most of your guns confiscated by the state which used the registration lists to facilitate their power grab.

	30-09-2004 16:20									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse I would have thought the Internet would have made you realise otherwise.

Actually the internet is pretty damning. If we all live in such wonderful places, why do we spend so much time inside, alone staring at our monitors?

	30-09-2004 16:21									#98
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo I'm surprised there aren't more murders in France. I lived there for one year, in a small town called Aix-en-Provence, and I didn't feel safe. I almost got mugged two times. Fortunately, I'm a big guy and I can take care of myself! I heard however that the criminality rate in France is quite high.

I've been there. It did seem a little dodgy, but I'm a badass and looked a little dodgy myself.

	30-09-2004 16:37									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse no you don't. Australians basically think of Americans as pussies. Anyone can be big and tough with a handgun.

Oh we can fight with fists and knives as well. Do you think all of your stupid Aussie drunken brawling is actually considered fighting anywhere else?

	30-09-2004 16:43									#100
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(tee hee)

	30-09-2004 16:52									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse (tee hee)

AH, counter-trolled!

	30-09-2004 17:21									#102
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Imran, correct. About the immigration thing. Ain't that a mind boggling thing?

	30-09-2004 20:31									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander Actually the internet is pretty damning. If we all live in such wonderful places, why do we spend so much time inside, alone staring at our monitors?

* chegitz guevara turns off computer and goes to find a dandelion patch.

	30-09-2004 21:19									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Eskimoes drank their pee to get high even before alcohol.. I mean, they couldn't get high from it, but come on you have to be pretty high to drink your own piss and think you can get high from it, placebo high. Maybe it's all the raw meat they eat.

That's probably because of the red acacia mushrooms they consumed. It's a narcotic popular in the past in different cultures, one of the side effects aside from getting high is the person becomes enraged. It's believed that the viking berserkers consumed these mushrooms before battle to enter a frenzy. Anyway, the stuff doesn't breakdown even when it goes to your bladder so you can drink the piss of someone who get's high of the stuff and get high yourself.

	30-09-2004 22:34									#105
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quote: Originally posted by MalevolentLight Probably because we have a far larger population. http://www.truebluenz.orcon.net.nz/....html#Deterrent

Great site you found. Very objective.

Let me quote from the section 'The Deterrent Effect of Capital Punishment':

quote: Abolitionists will claim that most studies show that the death penalty has no effect on the murder rate at all. But that's only because those studies have been focused on inconsistent executions. Capital punishment, like all other applications, must be used consistently in order to be effective. However, the death penalty hasn't been used consistently in the USA for decades, so abolitionists have been able to establish the delusion that it doesn't deter at all to rationalize their fallacious arguments. But the evidence shows that whenever capital punishment is applied consistently or against a small murder rate it has always been followed by a decrease in murder. I have yet to see an example on how the death penalty has failed to reduce the murder rate under those conditions.

So he basically agrees that the death penalty doesn't work in the USA. He then backs up his original statement with a story about 19th century India. Maybe it would have any relevance if the US was being plagued by roaming murder gangs.

	30-09-2004 22:55									#106
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quote: Canada's homicide rate was similar to those in France, the U.K. and Australia. Japan and Scotland have the world's lowest homicide rates, with 0.51 murders per 100,000 and 0.64 per 100,000 respectively.

I didn't know that! Not bad, not bad at all. Might be good for Scotland's dire tourist performance.

	30-09-2004 23:02									#107
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A couple of unrelated points

1. I have always seen the different murder rates in Canada versus the US as one indicator that there are real, but subtle, cultural differences between our two countries.

2. I have never seen a compelling argument that the death penalty accomplishes mush in the way of general deterrence. Most homocides are impulsive. That said , there are instances where it is not difficult to support the death penalty just on a desire for retribution. There can be no doubt that the executed offender has been specifically deterred

	30-09-2004 23:11									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Hurricane Maybe it would have any relevance if the US was being plagued by roaming murder gangs.

What do you call the Crips, Bloods, etc.?

	01-10-2004 05:50									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander AH, counter-trolled!

It's more a rule of troll guild not to troll other trolls

	01-10-2004 05:56									#110
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DON'T **** WITH CHI-TOWN!

	01-10-2004 05:59									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse You wouldn't last 5 minutes in this country

- we are talking about Australia- right?

	01-10-2004 06:04									#112
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they're tough in australia... that's why they don't need guns.

Americans are pussies... they are all scared to death that black men will come in their house and rape their women. I think America's love affair with guns can be traced back to original anglo-saxon worries about having small shlongers.

but seriously, if only the police and military get to have guns, then they can't be stolen from people who legally purchase them. And ILLEGAL, STOLEN WEAPONS is what criminals get. Guns get stolen from stupid morons who buy guns legally.

	01-10-2004 07:35									#113
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That's right - someone points a gun at me, I say "put the gun down ya big GIRL!"

	01-10-2004 07:53									#114
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quote: admit it - your country is f*cked

	01-10-2004 08:08									#115
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I have the advantage of having been in both

God I was glad to get home.

	01-10-2004 08:12									#116
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I was just over in Europe and thought the same when I landed in the States on the return. I guess it's just a matter of familiarity.

	01-10-2004 08:42									#117
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I thought you were alright, as Americans go...

	01-10-2004 08:44									#118
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I support gun control. For all americans except me.

	01-10-2004 09:15									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber A couple of unrelated points 1. I have always seen the different murder rates in Canada versus the US as one indicator that there are real, but subtle, cultural differences between our two countries. 2. I have never seen a compelling argument that the death penalty accomplishes mush in the way of general deterrence. Most homocides are impulsive. That said , there are instances where it is not difficult to support the death penalty just on a desire for retribution. There can be no doubt that the executed offender has been specifically deterred

I wonder how Canada's murder rate compares to the states along it's border.

	01-10-2004 11:11									#120
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quote: [SIZE=1] the church has maintained for years that capital punishment is just as morally questionable as abortion. http://www.indianacc.org/tables/postn1.html

A quick look at the catechism shows that to be wrong.

Capital Punishment, in Catholic Teaching, may be used as a means for the state to defend itself in certain cases. The Church leadership has said that such cases are very rare today, but that is open to dispute as whether a particular case meets the criteria is not a matter of faith and morals, where the Church has infalliblity.

Aboriton on the other hand is a direct murder which the Church teaches is always and nessecarily wrong. The moral principle in this case prohibits all abortion, so there is no case in which it is justifiable, and is therefore worse.