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Maryland, USA
Jan 1970
time: 00:22
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I missed the first 15 minutes or so. lI think this one was better than average as these things go. Partisan rantings aside, nobody got pwn3d (eg., the Poles do not consider themselves under Soviet domination, you're no jack kennedy, etc.).
Agree with Boshko that the DeGaulle bit (assist to Dean Acheson) clearly illustrated Kerry's point about american prestige in the world. Also think Kerry helped clarify things greatly by saying the issue was not that Saddam was a threat, but what we DO about that threat. Kerry loses points for not pushing these issues home more effectively. Bush seemed to me to rely too much on the buzzwords of free, democratic, and enemy. But Bush did seem fairly effective in using Kerry's prior positions to throw up obstacles aht Kerry had to work around.
Credit to both candidates for declining the opportunity to throw buckets of dirt at each other over the character question. Maybe there is hope for us yet.
Overall, Bush B-, Kerry B
Disagree with Ramo. Kerry is behind in the polls, so for him a tie is a loss.
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Bosh
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Taehan Mingook
Jan 1970
time: 00:22
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I missed the first 15 minutes or so. lI think this one was better than average as these things go. |
Aaaw, you missed Bush blatantly dodging the first question.
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Partisan rantings aside, nobody got pwn3d (eg., the Poles do not consider themselves under Soviet domination, you're no jack kennedy, etc.). |
Right.
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Agree with Boshko that the DeGaulle bit (assist to Dean Acheson) clearly illustrated Kerry's point about american prestige in the world. |
Right, that was my favorite bit from Kerry's side.
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Kerry loses points for not pushing these issues home more effectively. |
Yeah, Bush kept on pounding the talking points, Kerry treated it more like a standard debate then a campaign event which hurt him a bit.
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Disagree with Ramo. Kerry is behind in the polls, so for him a tie is a loss. |
Really? If he's behind on the polls and people think he did the same as Bush then there's a chunk of people who were planning on voting for Bush who thought Kerry did better, that's got to help at least marginally (very very marginally). This is especially the case in a National Security, where Bush has a commanding lead in the polls. Kerry's got to pwn Bush in domestic stuff to have it help him but a tie on National Security stuff helps him a little (and a narrow but definate victory like this one certainly doesn't hurt either).
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Ted Striker
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United States of America
Jan 1970
time: 21:22
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Originally posted by Adam Smith
I missed the first 15 minutes or so. lI think this one was better than average as these things go. Partisan rantings aside, nobody got pwn3d (eg., the Poles do not consider themselves under Soviet domination, you're no jack kennedy, etc.).
Agree with Boshko that the DeGaulle bit (assist to Dean Acheson) clearly illustrated Kerry's point about american prestige in the world. Also think Kerry helped clarify things greatly by saying the issue was not that Saddam was a threat, but what we DO about that threat. Kerry loses points for not pushing these issues home more effectively. Bush seemed to me to rely too much on the buzzwords of free, democratic, and enemy. But Bush did seem fairly effective in using Kerry's prior positions to throw up obstacles aht Kerry had to work around.
Credit to both candidates for declining the opportunity to throw buckets of dirt at each other over the character question. Maybe there is hope for us yet.
Overall, Bush B-, Kerry B
Disagree with Ramo. Kerry is behind in the polls, so for him a tie is a loss. |
I gave Bush a C+, Kerry a B
No pwnage occured.
It would have been nice to see Kerry go for the jugular but he didn't push it home. However Bush has been exposed and this can be taken advantage of.
I agree with Adam Smith that I get tired of hearing abstract concepts about freedom and liberty.
Bush said there were 100,000 trained security forces in Iraq, but in reality this number is 50,000. Major slipup.
The character thing was also cool, although Bush kept using the word "weakness" later, indirectly referring to Kerry.
Kerry's highlight of the night was saying that certainty doesn't matter because you can be both certain AND wrong.
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Moral Hazard
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of jack
Jul 1999
time: 01:22
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First We need Ned and ML to straighten us out.
I thought Kerry won. Not outstanding but a win more by default than anything. Kerry may have come off a little full off himself, but he made good points. He repeated most of his messages. So did Bush. Bush had some bad pauses after which his statements were weak. Bush's opening weren't really solid. I was wavering before but now I'm in the Kerry camp (weakly). Could lose me though with his domestic one. I was focusing more on Kerry since I've decided to not to vote Bush.
I have to agree with Adam Smith about the win/tie thing. Kerry needs a win more. Even if this is Bush's strength. But I think he got that win. Not strong but a win.
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