06-10-2004 07:41									#1
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There is another vice-president thread but I thought I would create a thread meant to focus purely on your opinions and reactions to the debate between Cheney and Edwards.


I must say, that I was very disappointed with some of Edwards performance during the debate. There were a couple of times when I shouted to my television for Edwards to control his reactions.

	06-10-2004 07:43									#2
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Well from what I read by people so far (left and right), Cheney cleaned up. Told you so .

	06-10-2004 07:44									#3
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But you still support Kerry and Edwards right? I mean, I am disappointed with Edwards, but that's no reason for me to withdraw my support for him and Kerry.

	06-10-2004 07:44									#4
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Cheney made a huge deal about the Senate records of Kerry and Edwards. This can only be bad for them.

	06-10-2004 07:45									#5
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun But you still support Kerry and Edwards right? I mean, I am disappointed with Edwards, but that's no reason for me to withdraw my support for him and Kerry.

I'm undecided, and I think Cheney shredded Edwards. But why does that really matter?

	06-10-2004 07:46									#6
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Dick "Warhorse" Cheney clearly won.

	06-10-2004 07:47									#7
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Basically a tie, but Edwards wins slightly in style and expectations.

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Edwards scored a big hit when he illustrated Cheney's Congressional record. But he only really did it once or twice; he should have gone back to it every time Cheney went after their voting records.

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quote: Originally posted by MrFun But you still support Kerry and Edwards right? I mean, I am disappointed with Edwards, but that's no reason for me to withdraw my support for him and Kerry.

Who the Hell cares about VP? The position is only to get votes.

	06-10-2004 07:47									#10
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I think Edwards did better than what some here say. He's better than Dan Quayle. Besides, even though they will be a heartbeat away, this debate means little in the scheme of things.

	06-10-2004 07:49									#11
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If you don't remember, Dan, except for that "You're no Jack Kennedy" line, Quayle did very well in his VP debates.

	06-10-2004 07:49									#12
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quote: Originally posted by DanS He's better than Dan Quayle.

Who could argue with that?

	06-10-2004 07:51									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui If you don't remember, Dan, except for that "You're no Jack Kennedy" line, Quayle did very well in his VP debates.

That was a great line.

	06-10-2004 07:51									#14
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Cheney is far more knowledgeable and articulate than Bush, but he continued in Bush's faith-based style: "We're better than you are. Cause I said so. So there." There were no zingers, but Edwards consistently provided clearer content than Cheney: "Here are the things we would do differently from the present administration." Cheney wasn't too bad, but he really didn't have a lot to say except "I think this, I claim that."

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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Basically a tie, but Edwards wins slightly in style and expectations.

So what are you smoking?

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quote: Originally posted by DanS I think Edwards did better than what some here say. He's better than Dan Quayle.

Hardy har har har.

I don't think anyone here is saying Edwards did horribly (although we have yet to hear from Gian), but he could have--should have--done better.


"Heartbeat away"... that's a scary thought, considering Cheney's cardiovascular health. Dennis Hastert in the Oval Office is not a good idea.

	06-10-2004 07:52									#17
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quote: Originally posted by debeest Cheney is far more knowledgeable and articulate than Bush, but he continued in Bush's faith-based style: "We're better than you are. Cause I said so. So there." There were no zingers, but Edwards consistently provided clearer content than Cheney: "Here are the things we would do differently from the present administration." Cheney wasn't too bad, but he really didn't have a lot to say except "I think this, I claim that."

We'll reconstruct Iraq exactly like Bush will, but faster!

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quote: Originally posted by DanS I think Edwards did better than what some here say. He's better than Dan Quayle. Besides, even though they will be a heartbeat away, this debate means little in the scheme of things.

Man . . . . . are you and Ramo talking about the same VP debate??

	06-10-2004 07:54									#19
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No way, guys. I think Edwards clearly won. Cheney was painful to watch.

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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar We'll reconstruct Iraq exactly like Bush will, but faster!

Because we are going to increase taxes!


And we are going to double spending on some programs!

	06-10-2004 07:55									#21
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Let's see . . . . . .


Edwards failed to control his reactions too many times during the debate, he interrupted Cheney once, and Edwards broke a rule about not talking about his "boss" a couple of times with one question.

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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn No way, guys. I think Edwards clearly won. Cheney was painful to watch.

Please seek rehab immediately.

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quote: "Heartbeat away"... that's a scary thought, considering Cheney's cardiovascular health. Dennis Hastert in the Oval Office is not a good idea.

Through the marvels of modern medicine...

quote: but he could have--should have--done better

Oh well, I won't argue with you, except to ask what exactly did you expect from Edwards? Cheney's one cool customer.

	06-10-2004 07:58									#24
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Let's see . . . . . . Edwards failed to control his reactions too many times during the debate, he interrupted Cheney once, and Edwards broke a rule about not talking about his "boss" a couple of times with one question.

It's interesting how you're criticizing his performance. I odn't think that he'll get some sort of "angry man" reputation, so none of his aggressiveness is really damaging. Looking like Kerry's lapdog, maybe, though.

	06-10-2004 07:59									#25
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Let's see . . . . . . Edwards failed to control his reactions too many times during the debate, he interrupted Cheney once, and Edwards broke a rule about not talking about his "boss" a couple of times with one question.

Yeah, but people like that. Edwards needed to play the role of attack dog in this debate and he did.

	06-10-2004 08:00									#26
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn Edwards needed to play the role of attack dog in this debate and he did.

Kerry's attack poodle.

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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn Yeah, but people like that. Edwards needed to play the role of attack dog in this debate and he did.

No -- breaking the rules of the debate does not make a good impression.

There were other, more subtle ways Edwards could have asserted himself stronger.

	06-10-2004 08:04									#28
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When you look at the difference in experience here then Edwards performance was pretty good. Cheney is such a seasoned politician that he should have won...and he did.

	06-10-2004 08:05									#29
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO Kerry's attack poodle.

	06-10-2004 08:09									#30
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun No -- breaking the rules of the debate does not make a good impression. There were other, more subtle ways Edwards could have asserted himself stronger.

It gave Edwards presence, and was a striking contrast to Cheney who even declined to answer a bunch of questions or gave one word answers.