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Verto is offline Verto

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Mar 2002
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DALLAS, Oct. 11 — A 12-year-old Dallas girl has been charged with fatally shooting her mother in the face because she was angry over being punished, police said Monday.
Police said 48-year-old Elvira Marion Walton was shot and killed while she slept early Sunday. Walton's daughter has been taken into custody and charged with murder in the juvenile penal system.
''It appears the motive was anger over being grounded,'' a police spokesman said.
The girl, whose name has not been released, was in the seventh grade. Police have said the girl fought with her mother over the girl leaving home late at night to meet with boys.

Jaguar is offline Jaguar
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Apr 2000
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What a dumb *****.

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I doubt JohnT punishes Sophie

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A 12 year-old girl tries to stay out late with males?

Sounds like there are some major issues going on...

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Dec 2001
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I have an even better punishment for that little brat now.

In seventh grade there is no illusions about shooting someone in the face, that sort of thing should be an adult crime.

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Jan 2003
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Remember "Guns don't kill people, people do."

Now go back to sleep.

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Feb 2001
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Nah, it's bullets impacting at high speed.

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With that attitude, capable of committing such a horrible act, her personal prospects in later life will be a most fitting additional punishment.

Now for the people who choose to be around her after this...

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Guns don't kill people, the decline in personal responsibility does.

Jeez

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Poor kid has issues, more of them now obviously

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I feel no sympathy.

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Remember "Guns don't kill people, people do."

Now go back to sleep.


And the person who did such a thing would not do it if they had to use a bat, knife, poison, etc instead of a gun? The psychological distance allowed by guns did not turn this girl into a murderer, it "may" in other cases, but this was a mother and daughter relationship. I heard the girl was mad because mommy grounded her, that makes her beyond a criminal in my book, more like criminally insane...and the criminally insane won't be deterred by the absence of a gun. Unfortunately, I doubt she'll be "cured" after a few years in a cage and she's let go because the first evidence of her proclivity for evil was revealed for all to see when she was a child.

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I feel no sympathy.


That's all I feel, I just think it's very, very sad.

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''It appears the motive was anger over being grounded,'' a police spokesman said.


Sympathy? Nah, disgust...

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Oh no! Where's JohnT? Is it too late?

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I think he's on vacation...

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Whaleboy

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Death penalty

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And the person who did such a thing would not do it if they had to use a bat, knife, poison, etc instead of a gun? The psychological distance allowed by guns did not turn this girl into a murderer, it "may" in other cases, but this was a mother and daughter relationship. I heard the girl was mad because mommy grounded her, that makes her beyond a criminal in my book, more like criminally insane...and the criminally insane won't be deterred by the absence of a gun. Unfortunately, I doubt she'll be "cured" after a few years in a cage and she's let go because the first evidence of her proclivity for evil was revealed for all to see when she was a child.


I dont know if Im the only, but I mildly disagree to you statement that the psychological distance had nothing to do with it.

I firmly believe that in many cases like it, the ease of the gun was a factor.
I believe the girl might not have done it with a knife.
Might not.
Like if you take a 100 girls in similar state with access to guns and 100 girls with access to knives, more girls with guns will have killed.
Of course that is outside the realm of experimental science.

I still believe that, not just from theory but from putting myself in the skin, and people I know.

Maybe Im a coward, but It would be easier for me to kill someone with a gun than say a knife, and I would have to be angrier and for a longer period of time to kill someone by punching him repeatedly than to shoot with a gun.

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I think he's on vacation...


JohnT's banned? Why?

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Feb 2001
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murderers


death penalty


Ted Striker

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Boy did she screw up when she killed her mom in Texas.

Murder

Death Penalty

Death Penalty for children: No thumb for this one.

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not banned, VACATION.... think RL

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Death penalty for kids like this

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The fewer Texans, the better.

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Death penalty for this kid :

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This is supposition, but if it was a household gun, and it was not kept locked or the ammunition seperate - stupidity has it's own rewards, and both mother, daughter, and her 10 year old brother have/will all suffer for it. Sad - the 10 year old called the police, how messed up is he going to be (what he walked in on - now that is horror).

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...48-year-old Elvira Marion Walton was shot and killed ...

quote:

The girl, whose name has not been released...


Putting the tragedy aside for a minute, does anybody else think there is something wrong with these quotes?

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Nah, it's bullets impacting at high speed.


Neither guns nor bullets kill people, holes do.

 
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