20-10-2004 10:19									#271
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dont forget how crazy steiny is either - he fired challenger, the bald eagle, when he swooped over jeter's head and landed in the outfield during the 2001 world series.

	20-10-2004 10:26									#272
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Well it ain't like Yankee fans like Steinbrenner either .

	20-10-2004 11:36									#273
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Imran, it is all about the fans and the 2 cities. Being from the area, you should know... Boston hates New Yorkers and vice versa.

I have the utmost respect for the Red Sox. They have shown heart and a never say die attitude. But it is the fans of the Red Sox that I dislike. And I admit... I just want them to suffer due to their actions and whiny complaints.

Remember... I am also a Mets fan... and I don't hate Cubs fans like I do Red Sox fans. You don't see Chicagoans giving the finger to Mets players when they are out on the town trying to enjoy an evening meal.

Acceptable ragging at the ballpark is one thing, getting into personal time is another.

Plus the complaints of the salary thing. It is what it is... they are how things are setup, make do and don't complain... they voted for it and accepted it. Now deal with it. Plus, when you are 2nd , right behind in salary it leaves you little credibility compared to the Twins, A's, Marlins, Expos... etc.

And just seeing this fool on this forum only fortifies my feelings towards their FANS. Suffer. I only wish the Sox could actually win one but not to let the Boston fans enjoy it. Except for maybe the older more civilized ones. Say the ones that remember 1918 and '46 blah blah blah.

My take, anyway.

	20-10-2004 12:22									#274
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hahaha. did you see the fools in the stadium tonite? so scared that they are about to lose to the sox that they had to throw crap onto the field

i hope you enjoy being associated with those loosers who never learnt how to lose like a man.

	20-10-2004 12:44									#275
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yankee fans are running scared, all telling themselves that the babe will show up tomorrow nite to win the game for the yanks.

	20-10-2004 12:44									#276
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they know which team is better.

	20-10-2004 12:58									#277
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"I don't want those umpires meeting any more," said Rodriguez. "Every time they have a meeting, they make a call against the Yankees. No more meetings."

aaaawwwwwww. the $25 million man thinks hes so special that he gets to cheat. shove it you classless yank.

"I don't know what I tried to do. I knew he was coming, and I know that the line belongs to me. Looking back, maybe I shoud have run him over." - arod

	20-10-2004 13:10									#278
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quote: Yes, but its a reaction to Soxs fans- we hate the fact that even thought we have trounced them again and again and again the crazy bastards think they are equal, and we relish their suffering, cause its what annoying people deserve.

yep, you guys are the kings who keep on repressing the peasants, but you can never break us no matter how hard you try, thats why you can never win cuz your ultimate goal is to break the fans and youve been at it for over 80 years and you havnt accomplished it. all we need to do is beat you once and you will be broken.

its annoying to you cuz we are the only team who stands up to your arrogance and throws it right back at you, and we are the only team who arnt scared to play a game seven in yankee stadium with no real starting pitching, and no one who can go more than 4 innings. you can bet that the red sox will empty the bag tomorrow and will use everyone, cuz everyone will be available, because we are a team, not a load of egotistical overpaid drama queen arrogant prina donas.

think about it, the yankees are the first team to be up 3- 0 and not close the deal in less than 6. thats embarrasing.

	20-10-2004 14:07									#279
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quote: hahaha. did you see the fools in the stadium tonite? so scared that they are about to lose to the sox that they had to throw crap onto the field i hope you enjoy being associated with those loosers who never learnt how to lose like a man.

I don't enjoy being associated with them. I wouldn't say I was either.

But what the Sox fans did saturday night was quite similar and just as dangerous. They threw every foul ball or Homerun ball, back. Just as dangerous. One fan actually tossed the ball back over the monster from Lansdown street after Rodriguez' homer. What if that ball had hit Manny in the head? From that distance?

I'm not saying what those Yankee fans did was right, and it was alot more than the balls the RedSox fans threw, but that doesn't exonerate them. Both poor instances of judgement by what I consider to be the bad idea of lots of beer sales at a heated sporting event.

You are throwing arrogance at the Yankee fans..... here? I have seen no one taunt you until you first brought it upon yourself.

And what is up with the "We are a team and the Yanks are overpaid egotistical prima donas". The Red Sox players ... for the most part all have hefty contracts as well. As I said... 2nd in payroll. You are just not capable of holding a reasonable discussion on baseball without name calling and taunting and braggadocio. This is exactly what I try to point out to Imran.

	20-10-2004 14:13									#280
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quote: think about it, the yankees are the first team to be up 3- 0 and not close the deal in less than 6. thats embarrasing.

And that is not embarrasing. It's Sports. It uis bound to happen one day, sooner or later. Just as the Sox are bound to win a "World Series" sooner or later. And if the Yankees were to lose, it is to an excellent and talented team. Not because of ghosts. I don't believe in ghosts. i only wish you would never be capable of enjoying it. :-P~~

	20-10-2004 16:41									#281
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Come on, you know it's embarrasing. Just like when the Astros no-hit the Yankees last year at home.

Astros

	20-10-2004 17:19									#282
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ESPN had a stat... this series is already the longest 7-game series, in terms of time spent playing, in modern history... so far, 25 hours and 36 minutes, well over 4 hours per game.

And there's still one left to play.

	20-10-2004 17:21									#283
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Gotta tell ya... I planned on coming into this thread when the series was 0-3 and just giving BoSox hell. But I decided to wait until the vampire was staked and I'm glad I did.

Shiite. Now I'm actually rooting for the poor sons of bitches.

	20-10-2004 17:33									#284
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All the BoSox fans here are getting awfully cocky.

	20-10-2004 17:40									#285
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Of course they are. If my team had done what the Red Sox have done, I'd probably be a little cocky myself.

A few things:

1) A-Rod is a dirty little cheater, and a disgrace to the team. His attempt to swat the ball away was not only unsportsmanlike, it was stupid. As a result, Jeter was sent back to 1st, whereas if the routine play was made as it should have been, Jeter would have been on 2nd, in scoring position for Sheffield. I know Sheffield popped out, but that's not the friggin' point.

2) Throwing stuff on the field was bad. As I recall, the same thing happened up in Boston in the 1999 ALCS when the Red Sox fans thought (correctly, actually) that the umps had repeatedly hosed them. The Yankees fans *at the game* most likely thought they were getting hosed, even though we TV viewers could clearly see the correct calls were being made. Which of course doesn't matter, because you just don't do that. I too wondered what would have happened up in Beantown if the ball thrown back over the Monster had hit Damon in the head (come to think of it, the fans might have cheared at that point).

3) Holy ****, game 7. It's all down to this. 2 years in a row. Wow.

-Arrian

	20-10-2004 18:00									#286
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quote: If my team had done what the Red Sox have done, I'd probably be a little cocky myself.

And that's the point, isn't it?

Oldwarrior, while you may have respect for the team, that doesn't mean you don't dislike them . Most times the teams are extensions of the fans and take on their characterists (hence cocky Yankee ballplayers ). Schilling was saying a lot of stuff that a fan might before the season, for instance.

The combination of fans and team is the reason that I think you can't seperate it and say you hate A but not B. I think they are too intermeshed to make that distinction.

Besides, you are a Yankees AND a Mets fan? What do you know? Though, being a Mets fan, our rivals aren't the Cubs (who knows it might have been in the dark ages ). It's the Braves and we hate the ****ers.

quote: I too wondered what would have happened up in Beantown if the ball thrown back over the Monster had hit Damon in the head (come to think of it, the fans might have cheared at that point).

He was useless until the last few nights, wasn't he?

	20-10-2004 18:20									#287
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He's been pretty useless even over the last few games.

But then so has Jeter (notwithstanding the single last night to make it 4-2).

My take on the rivalry:

I don't know if I can take this anymore. Losing to the Red Sox would be the ultimate humiliation. This thing (the Yanks win/Sox lose - always) has been built up so much that the Yankees HAVE to win. If they don't, it's a disgrace. If they win, it's what "should" happen, so it's not joy but rather a sigh of relief. Last year's ALCS was hell for me. Hell. When the Yanks won, I was momentarily elated because of the drama of the comeback, but mostly I was just relieved. And too worn out to care about the World Series. This year is now even worse, because while I went into the series expecting a long, nutty series, I was then lulled into a false sense of security by the 3-0 lead. Watching the Sox win 3 straight has been brutal - it's kinda like the roles are reversed.

Now, I'd love to believe that this is all setup for the Sox to lose game 7, perhaps in especially dramatic fashion, but there is of course doubt in my mind, because I don't believe in curses or any other such silliness.

-Arrian

p.s. Has Keith Foulke been great or what? He threw exactly 1 hittable pitch last night (2-0 fastball to Tony Clark, which Clark took ).

	20-10-2004 18:41									#288
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quote: I don't know if I can take this anymore. Losing to the Red Sox would be the ultimate humiliation. This thing (the Yanks win/Sox lose - always) has been built up so much that the Yankees HAVE to win. If they don't, it's a disgrace. If they win, it's what "should" happen, so it's not joy but rather a sigh of relief. Last year's ALCS was hell for me. Hell. When the Yanks won, I was momentarily elated because of the drama of the comeback, but mostly I was just relieved. And too worn out to care about the World Series. This year is now even worse, because while I went into the series expecting a long, nutty series, I was then lulled into a false sense of security by the 3-0 lead. Watching the Sox win 3 straight has been brutal - it's kinda like the roles are reversed.

This Yankee team has set itself up for the biggest loss in their history-that's pretty sad.

I agree that this is just too nerve racking-and I also am sick of how long the games are-the only one that ended before 11:30 was the one that begun at 5pm....

	20-10-2004 18:44									#289
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quote: Has Keith Foulke been great or what? He threw exactly 1 hittable pitch last night

Yeah, but walked two batters. He made it interesting to say the least.

	20-10-2004 18:52									#290
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I'm pissed about starting the games at 8 - I'm exhausted. Absolutely exhausted.

I took a vacation day on Monday. Why? Because I finally went to bed at 1:30 am (end of the 11th, game 4). I woke up and was just too damned tired to go to work. Then I though "ok, tonights game starts at 5, so even it's a long game, I'll be fine." Yeah, that one went to 11:30, the longest game in playoff history, I believe.

But I wouldn't be complaining if the Yanks had won that game. It only sucks because they lost. I recall being tired last week, but there was a bounce in my step because we were up 2-0 at the time.

-Arrian

	20-10-2004 19:22									#291
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Gotta tell ya... I planned on coming into this thread when the series was 0-3 and just giving BoSox hell. But I decided to wait until the vampire was staked and I'm glad I did. Shiite. Now I'm actually rooting for the poor sons of bitches.

As an Atlanta Braves fan, you should take any opportunity to stick it to Yankees fans, since we, as Braves fans have been embarassed twice by the Yanks.

	20-10-2004 19:31									#292
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Has Keith Foulke been great or what? He threw exactly 1 hittable pitch last night Yeah, but walked two batters. He made it interesting to say the least.

True. But consider that he walked the leadoff man (Matsui, who he had to be very careful with). Then he gets two outs, and then the walk to Sierra was extremely close (the 3-2 pitch was *just* high and away). He's gotta be careful with Sierra, especially with Clark (worst hitter in the lineup) on deck. Then he throws a perfect 3-2 pitch to Clark.

Yes, he walked some guys and yes he went to 3 balls on the last hitter. But like I said, he really only threw 1 hittable pitch, which is pretty damn good.

-Arrian

	20-10-2004 19:36									#293
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Well, hopefully Foulke can do it again tonight .

	20-10-2004 19:40									#294
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Bah. Silly Mets fan. Yankees fans had the good sense to approve of the Mets' 1986 win (GREAT stop there!). You ought to be rooting for the Yanks!



This is gonna be nuts. The old truism of "anything can happen" looks pretty appropriate for tonight. It could easily be a blowout for either side. Or it could be more extra inning madness. Who the hell knows?

-Arrian

	20-10-2004 19:44									#295
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A true Mets fan never roots for the Yanks . And we mock our team for trying to be the Yanks by buying up the biggest names (Phillips, you dolt!). The best Mets teams were built from the farm system with a little bit of some outside star power to complement it (1969, 73, 86, 88, 2000).

	20-10-2004 19:46									#296
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There are extreme factors that can lead to rooting for a hated rival. This is one of them, Imran, surely you see that? We're talking about the very fate of the universe here, man! Think of the children!!

The 2000 Mets were the product of the farm system?

-Arrian

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quote: There are extreme factors that can lead to rooting for a hated rival.

Yes, the hated rival being the Yankees . I don't normally root for Boston, but against the Evil Empire? Hell, I'd root for the Braves.

quote: The 2000 Mets were the product of the farm system?

Well, somewhat . Piazza and Leiter were acquired by trading players from the farm system . And Hampton was acquired by active players who used to be in the farm system .

Ok, maybe it was overstating it a little.

	20-10-2004 19:59									#298
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Go Red Sox!

	20-10-2004 20:02									#299
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Yeah, just a tad.

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I'll be in the odd position of potentially rooting for the Sox in the WS if they win tonight. My finacee and a bunch of my friends are Sox fans, and since I have no particular feelings about the National League, I kinda have to root for the Sox if they make it. Besides, I am a bit curious to see what happens if they actually win one. And even if they do, it's still 26 to 5 all time and 4 to 1 in recent memory.

-Arrian

	20-10-2004 20:17									#300
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If the Sox go the WS, I'll root for them if they are against the Astros (hate Clemens). If the Sox and Cards go to the WS, then I won't be rooting for either, but will happy if either wins.

If the Yanks go the WS, then, of course, I'll root against them, but if the Astros go as well, then I'll root for the ground to collapse on both teams and send them straight to Hell .