14-10-2004 20:24									#151
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Are you saying that you don't like fluff? HUH? Is that what you're saying?

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	14-10-2004 20:27									#152
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Bush was asked if he thought homosexuality was a choice, and he said he didn't know. **** he's retarded. I just turned the damn thing off.

That is actually probably the correct response. We don't know. I am currently leaning towards not being a choice, but admit that it is not on powerful evidence.

Jon Miller

	14-10-2004 20:32									#153
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of course it's not a choice!! real homosexuality of course. not when 2 chicks do it to impress some guy. That's different.

	14-10-2004 20:44									#154
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Photo from the third debate. The mystery hump LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVES!

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	14-10-2004 20:50									#155
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In that picture, was Bush trying to reach for Kerry's ass?

	14-10-2004 22:08									#156
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quote: Originally posted by Boshko Photo from the third debate. The mystery hump LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVES!

Is this some type of bullet proof vest? Has anybody seen anything on this in the media?

	14-10-2004 22:34									#157
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat Kerry claimed Bush "has taken a $5.6 trillion surplus and turned it into deficits as far as the eye can see." But the country never actually had a $5.6 trillion surplus. The projected surplus Kerry was referring to was a 10-year figure that was already made dubious by a weakening economy and a pent-up Congressional urge to spend. The largest annual surplus actually realized was $236 billion in fiscal year 2000, which ended a month before Bush was elected.

That one was obvious. No one really think that the 5.6 trillion thing was a 1-year amount.

	14-10-2004 22:37									#158
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun In that picture, was Bush trying to reach for Kerry's ass?

Trying? From that picture it looks as though he was successful.

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If Bush looses this election, it will be because of the debates. Kerry was very good in all the debates. Very smoothe.

These debates remind me a lot of the Nixon/Kennedy debates. Nixon was way ahead, then lost heavily in the debates because Kennedy was so polished compared to Nixon.

On this debate, Bush did a lot better than in the other two. The reason was because he was smiling, etc. But, still, it was a little painful to watch.

	14-10-2004 23:02									#160
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Kerry won this won easily.

Bush was stammering and stuttering... and using words improperly. He was clearly nervous and speaking poorly.

Kerry was strong, resolute, and clear.

Kerry B+
Bush D

I originally gave Bush a D-, but I'm feeling generous.

	14-10-2004 23:10									#161
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Kerry won this won easily. Bush was stammering and stuttering... and using words improperly. He was clearly nervous and speaking poorly. Kerry was strong, resolute, and clear. Kerry B+ Bush D I originally gave Bush a D-, but I'm feeling generous.

hmm, why am I not surprised?

	14-10-2004 23:15									#162
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I'd answer that, but I don't want a restriction.

	14-10-2004 23:16									#163
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	14-10-2004 23:21									#164
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The polls shows a clear Kerry victory, and on content and connecting to the swing vote it was a clear Kerry victory.

Wether or not you want Bush to win, you have to admit he is not connecting to the swing vote very well at all.

-Drachasor

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Drach, I think you are right. Bush is in trouble.

	15-10-2004 00:11									#166
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I didn't watch it... A friend called just as it was starting, and I talked to him instead.

Though I can judge from what Ned is saying how things went.

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	15-10-2004 00:36									#167
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Only heard a bit of it on the Radio (and you know that these debates dont come across well on radio, classic example Kennedy vs Nixon).

The one consisten thing seems to be that Bush is doing better in each successive Debate and you could argue over ties or narrow Bush victories. But I think we can ALL agree that he hasn't ever decicivly beaten Kerry in such a way as to undo the terrible damage he suffered in the First Debate.

I belive that first Debate actualy managed to move "Desided" Bush voters back into the "Undesided" camp which is realy saying a lot in this polarized atmosphere. If no unforseen events occure I think Kerry will end up with the lions share of the previously undesided voters who now lean toward from the first/second debate and have not been swayed by subsequent ones.

	15-10-2004 00:42									#168
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I think it a combination of Bush doing better each debate and the novelty of Kerry doing well wearing off. Like a french cheese with a funny after taste. At first novel and interesting , but after 4 1/2 hours of tasting it, you really feel the need to wretch.

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Except, are there any polls that have Bush winning?

My understanding is that there are a few polls that have the third debate as a tie (and those have a lot more republicans than democrats in them), and many polls with Kerry as winning the debate, especially among independent/swing voters.

-Drachasor

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Bush did look worse physically. I think he's getting uglier. I thought maybe he was tired from campaigning. It made me smile.

	15-10-2004 01:33									#171
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quote: Originally posted by Drachasor Except, are there any polls that have Bush winning? My understanding is that there are a few polls that have the third debate as a tie (and those have a lot more republicans than democrats in them), and many polls with Kerry as winning the debate, especially among independent/swing voters. -Drachasor

Zogby still has bush up.

The others are dead heat.

I still have faith that Lurch will blow it.

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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe Zogby still has bush up. The others are dead heat. I still have faith that Lurch will blow it.

1% is no statistical difference. Because of the potential error with the sample sizes anything within about 3% of that poll is essentially identical.

Anyhow, I was talking about the third debate; in that I think Kerry has won as far as influencing people (the same with all of the debates, in fact).

Oh, and that 7% undecided is a pretty nice boon for Kerry, since almost all of the time the Challenger gets the vast majority of the undecided voters.

-Drachasor

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Either way, these debates have been interesting.

And great fun to make fun of, BTW

	15-10-2004 01:42									#174
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quote: Originally posted by Drachasor 1% is no statistical difference. Because of the potential error with the sample sizes anything within about 3% of that poll is essentially identical. Anyhow, I was talking about the third debate; in that I think Kerry has won as far as influencing people (the same with all of the debates, in fact). Oh, and that 7% undecided is a pretty nice boon for Kerry, since almost all of the time the Challenger gets the vast majority of the undecided voters. -Drachasor

Cepting the last few races that were reportedly close went decidedly repubs direction.

quote: Take a look at the RealClearPolitics collection of polls for the governor's races. Then look at the results. In Florida, Survey USA had Jeb Bush winning by 5. Gainesville Sun and Orlando Sentinel, Bush by 6. Mason-Dixon and Miami Herald, Bush by 8. Zogby's final poll had Jeb by 15, but only a few days earlier he had Bush winning by only 3. (A twelve point swing in a matter of days?) Final result? Jeb Bush 56 percent, Bill McBride 43. A 13 point edge for the Republican. In Iowa, the final polls had Tom Vilsack beating Doug Gross by 12 points or 14 points. Final ballot numbers? Vilsack 53, Gross 45. A solid 8 point margin, but again, underestimating Republican turnout. Michigan? Jennifer Granholm led the final Survey USA poll by 6 points, the EPIC/MRA poll by 14 points, the Detroit News poll by 13, as well as the Detroit Free Press, and the next-to-last Survey USA poll. Final result? Granholm 51, Posthumus 48, a 3 point margin. But wait, there's more! Let's look at the 2003 races. Blogger Timothy Goddard looked at that year's four governor's races and concluded: In the end, Republicans took 3 of 4 races, and beat the polls in the three they won. Haley Barbour in Mississippi beat the closest polls by 3 points, and Ernie Fletcher beat them by anywhere from 9 points to 1 point. And, of course, we all remember Schwarzenegger’s “tight” race for governor. The final L.A. Times poll showed Arnie with 40 percent, Cruz Bustamante with 32 percent. Final result? Hasta la vista, baby: Arnie 49 percent, Danny DeVito 32 percent. Have the pollsters adjusted for the GOP's new emphasis on voter turnout? Why do I suspect they haven't?

Like I said Lurch's unlikeability factor will be his undoing barring any major catastrophe.