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Oncle Boris is offline Oncle Boris
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Back in August, the employees of a Wal-Mart store in Quebec were able to form an union.

Of course, yesterday, Wal-Mart mysteriously issued a statement saying that it was "worried about the profitability of its Jonquière store", and that they had been considering closure before the union became reality.

The interesting part of it is that closing a business because of the presence of an union is a legal offense in Quebec. However it remains tricky to prove this in court. Let's see how it turns out.

Most interesting stuff about the situation is in French, but I've found this BusinessWeek article:

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Employees in a Canadian store have won the right to organize. It's one more headache for the giant retailer.

August 19, 2004
Labor unions scored a significant but largely symbolic victory Aug. 3, when a Wal-Mart (WMT ) store in Canada became the first in North America to win the right to unionize. Company founder Sam Walton likely wouldn't have been pleased. Then again, he may not have known that his original discount store in Rogers, Ark., would grow into a 4,800-store global behemoth that sets an entire industry's standards for wages and worker treatment.

What happened in Canada "shows that when workers' rights are protected, Wal-Mart workers will exercise those rights for a voice at work," says Joseph Hansen, president of United Food & Commercial Workers International (UFCW), which secured the right to represent Wal-Mart workers at the store.

On Wall Street, the view is quite different. Analysts are already keeping close watch over a variety of labor-related Wal-Mart issues -- including alleged immigrant workers, sex discrimination, health-care coverage, and low wages. Federal investigators are looking into whether it knowingly encouraged the hiring of illegal immigrants through a cleaning contractor. The megachain also is the subject of a class-action suit filed by current and former female Wal-Mart workers, who accuse it of denying them access to promotions. In early August, the University of California at Berkeley released a study that concluded Wal-Mart's wage and health-care practices cost the state of California millions of dollars in hidden costs.

"ONE LITTLE CRACK." Unionization at Wal-Mart, were it to gather momentum, would ripple through all of retailing, Bernstein Research's retailing analyst Colin McGranahan noted in a recent report. "Any substantial progress at [unionizing] Wal-Mart could have a 'contagious' effect," on the sector, writes McGranahan. Adds Emme Kozloff, discount-retailing analyst at Bernstein Research: "Any unionization would impact cost structure."

The right to unionize at one location doesn't mean Wal-Mart is about to lose one of its biggest competitive advantages, low-cost labor. Still, analysts are keeping a vigilant eye on any changes in the labor environment, as unions grow more determined to bring Wal-Mart to heel.

For the past two years, the UFCW has been active across Canada, where Wal-Mart has 231 stores, and where labor laws are generally more union-friendly than in the U.S. The Service Employees International Union this summer earmarked $1 million to "help underwrite efforts of different groups [with] concerns about Wal-Mart's impact on the economy," says T.J. Michaels, the union's spokesperson. According to Greg Tarpinian, executive director of the Labor Research Assn., a consulting firm funded by unions, there is currently "more coordination and discussion on Wal-Mart than at any point in time before."

A regional labor-relations board gave the UFCW the right to represent workers at the store in Jonquiere, north of Quebec City. Although Wal-Mart has not announced if it will appeal the decision, the retailer is unlikely to accept the decision without a fight. "We are taking it step-by-step," says Wal-Mart spokesman Andrew Pelletier. Meanwhile, labor's success in Jonquiere should serve to rally unions elsewhere. "The UFCW is dying for just one little crack in the surface," says Kozloff.

EMPLOYERS' ADVANTAGE. Although unions are determined, they have yet to form a united, multi-union front. "To organize Wal-Mart will take unions working together on a global campaign," says Kate Bronfenbrenner, director of labor education research at Cornell University.

Even if the labor movement crafts a cohesive plan and pours more funding into the drive, some experts are skeptical that unions can make much of a dent. "American law is ineffective in deterring employers who wants to remain nonunion and are willing to go to the edge of the law, and beyond, to intimidate workers who want to join," says Michael Harper, professor of labor law at Boston University. Essentially, under current law, the punishment to employers who get caught illegally bullying workers is relatively small -- so slight, says Harper, that many companies think the penalties are a price worth paying to remain union-free.

As for the Jonquiere Wal-Mart, the UFCW's go-ahead to represent the store's workers is just the first step. Next, another labor-board hearing, scheduled for Aug. 20, will determine the bargaining unit's composition. Says Wal-Mart's Pelletier: "We are going to participate."

Meanwhile, Wal-Mart's more immediate concerns are the uncertain state of consumer spending and the Street's reaction to fiscal second-quarter results, reported Aug. 12. The retailer posted 62 cents earnings per share, vs. 52 cents in the same period a year ago. Sales rose 11.3% to $70.5 billion. Analysts had been expecting an average of 61 cents earnings per share on sales of $70.8 billion. Wal-Mart said new stores and sales at international outlets helped profits, though it likely also reaped cost savings from direct-sourcing initiatives, which Kozloff sees as mitigating fears of a slowdown in consumer spending.

FIRST STEP, THEN STUMBLE? That may be, but many analysts figure the possibility of fewer consumer dollars pouring into Wal-Mart cash registers is too high to be ignored. That, together with multiple unresolved lawsuits, has resulted in a lukewarm opinion on the stock. Kozloff rates it neutral, saying she sees "no near-time catalyst" lifting the share price. Of 32 analysts, 14 rate Wal-Mart hold.

Efforts to unionize Wal-Mart will prove to be a slog, and most experts expect the company to mount an aggressive counter-assault. The labor movement will have to be far more savvy if it is to achieve another victory beyond a single store in Canada. "I'm not heartened too much," says BU's Harper of the union victory. Even so, Wall Street is starting to weigh the potential long-term consequences, both for Wal-Mart and other retailers.

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Boycott Walmart.

Walmart's one of the most virulently anti-union employers around.

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Wal-mart

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Amusingly, many anti-union enterprises who sought expansion in Canada have had trouble with our generally more union-friendly laws. The same thing happened with McDonald's a few years ago.

Expansion always has a cost.

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Lesson learned: Stay the hell out of Quebec.

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Amusingly, many anti-union enterprises who sought expansion in Canada have had trouble with our generally more union-friendly laws. The same thing happened with McDonald's a few years ago.

Expansion always has a cost.


Unions will never succeed in getting real wage increases at no skills jobs like McDonalds. Why should anyone pay more when there are so many nonunion people willing to work? With skilled jobs you can reasonably hold a lock on labor but how much skill does it take to squart ketsup on a bun?

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Unions will never succeed in getting real wage increases at no skills jobs like McDonalds. Why should anyone pay more when there are so many nonunion people willing to work? With skilled jobs you can reasonably hold a lock on labor but how much skill does it take to squart ketsup on a bun?


It all depends on the economic conjoncture. Right now the Canadian economy is doing quite well, and it means that no-skill jobs have problems hiring at the minimal wage. I remember a few summers ago, a place where I was working (phone surveys) was having trouble to hire at $0.50 more than the minimal wage.

Lower pays also mean more part-time employees, which are less reliable and tend to change jobs more often, something that costs money.

Overall, Costco, which is paying its employees more than 50% more than Wal-Mart, is keeping up. The president said that he benefits from a personnel that is more stable and motivated. He might have a point.

And as a sidenote, McJobs in commiecountries have an harder time attracting employees because of the more generous social protection schemes.

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Yes lets boycott walmart. And while we're at it, lets put them out of business too. Then they won't have to complain about wages anymore because they won't have a job.

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Why should anyone pay more when there are so many nonunion people willing to work?


That's not really true. Many companies like this go begging for workers. The jobs suck, and employers not only know it, they count on it. High turnover makes unionization very difficult, but very few companies ever reach full employment. Low pay generally means you aren't gonna get anyone but teans applying, who tend to put up with a lot more crap from bosses, etc. There's a really good book called Fast Food Nation which is, among other things, about how this job trend started. I highly recommend it. Barbara Ehrenreich also works a stint at Wal-mart in her book Nickle and Dimed: On Not Getting By in America, which is about how it's impossible to make it in the U.S. on one of these jobs.

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Boycott Walmart.

Walmart's one of the most virulently anti-union employers around.

I know.
But they're the only place around here where I can buy good beer.

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The problem I have with unions is that they assume control of hiring practices they don't deserve. They don't deserve to prevent me from hiring people who don't want to join their union, and if an employer has both a union and non-union employees, there's tension as the union people use more subtle forms of coercion to punish the non-union people.

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The problem I have with unions is that they assume control of hiring practices they don't deserve.


No they don't. No union shop where I've ever worked has interfered with me being hired. You don't know **** about unions.

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Don't new hirees need to join the union? How do unions react to scabs? Does that hatred disappear when the new people at work refuse to join the union?

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Don't new hirees need to join the union?


That doesn't impact your being hired. It just means that you automatically become part of the union.

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How do unions react to scabs?


Scabbing should be outlawed. In any event, the unions can't stop employers from hiring scabs, except in civilized countries like Canada.

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Does that hatred disappear when the new people at work refuse to join the union?


It's not an issue because generally you have to join the union.

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Do Canadian laws allow companies to crush their unions? Allowing this seems to provide a lot of balance.

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Do Canadian laws allow companies to crush their unions?


Nope. Canada is a civilized country.

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I think che has misread what Berz was saying. He wasn't saying a union shop impacts him being hired, he was saying it impacts who HE can hire.

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Ah yes, monopoly of labor . Scabbing should not only be legal, but attack on scabs should be morally frowned upon and carry high penalties.

That's right, the proponents of union shops want to take away the worker's choice to NOT join a union. You have to pay part of your salary to a group you may not support in order to have a job. What crap. Can't let the workers decide for themselves? .

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The interesting part of it is that closing a business because of the presence of an union is a legal offense in Quebec.




What can they do, anyway? How do you force someone to keep a store running?

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I think che has misread what Berz was saying. He wasn't saying a union shop impacts him being hired, he was saying it impacts who HE can hire.


Only with some contracts do the unions have input on who can be hired. These are a result of contracts to which employers agreed.

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That's right, the proponents of union shops want to take away the worker's choice to NOT join a union. You have to pay part of your salary to a group you may not support in order to have a job. What crap. Can't let the workers decide for themselves? .


Surprisingly, I agree with you. The problem, however, is in right-to-work states, you can be hired at a union shop, not join the union, but the union has to provide benefits to you anyway and you're covered by the contract. You get all the benefits for being ain a union with none of the responsibility.

I think employees who don't want to be in the union should have to fend for themselves. It would also force the unions to be more democratic, since they'd have to listen to rank and file input or risk losing members. Flawed as they are, however, 90% of the time, you're much better off with a union than without.

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Don't new hirees need to join the union?


That doesn't impact your being hired. It just means that you automatically become part of the union.


And have to pay union dues.

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How do unions react to scabs?


Scabbing should be outlawed. In any event, the unions can't stop employers from hiring scabs, except in civilized countries like Canada.


People shouldn't be allowed to hire other people when their employees refuse to do work?

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And have to pay union dues.


Which has nothing to do with Berz's point.

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Surprisingly, I agree with you.


No you don't... you want to ban scabs . I support letting the workers decide for themselves if they want to join a flawed union or not. And if they want to cross the picket line, then that is their choice and the employer should be allowed to hire those who need work and want to work.

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What can they do, anyway? How do you force someone to keep a store running?


No, the only thing is that if it can be demonstrated in court that the closure of a business was directly related to the creation of a union, then you've broken the law. Since this process would take many years, no business is 'required' to stay upon; the end result would probably be that the company would have to pay reparations to its former employees.

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People shouldn't be allowed to hire other people when their employees refuse to do work?


I can very well see this to be an implicit part of a social contract, that property over means of production will be allowed as long as a deal about working conditions can be struck between the workers and the owner.

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Do Canadian laws allow companies to crush their unions? Allowing this seems to provide a lot of balance.




Poor Wal-Mart, it will have to pay for expensive lawyers to prove that their store wasn't shut down because of the union.

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Yes lets boycott walmart. And while we're at it, lets put them out of business too. Then they won't have to complain about wages anymore because they won't have a job.


Of course, when the store closes, each and every of its customers will disappear and won't buy stuff in other stores. Economy is an absolute principle built around Wal Mart, and when one of their store shuts down it creates a black hole that irremediably absorbs GDP.

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Scabbing should be outlawed. In any event, the unions can't stop employers from hiring scabs, except in civilized countries like Canada.


I wish it was true, but scabbing is only outlawed in certain provinces. Quebec, as dictated by its status of socialist lame dog, is of the number.

 
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