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Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Just as soon as Mary Cheney is consulted. |
She's been consulted, and she doesn't want to give a statement.
It might have something to do with the fact she lives with her partner and has a wedding band.
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Dec 2000
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However, the fact remains, his daughter is a lesbian, now it's no big deal unless you make it a big deal by raising those questions, and keep it a taboo. |
It is a taboo. And for Kerry to apply that taboo, which makes people view someone differently, to his opponent's daughter, for no apparent reason, is uncalled for. And it sets bad precedent. Let's check Kerry's kid's SAT scores and use that to talk about our failing education system, why not?
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Oh wasn't it Cheney that implicated, that if Kerry is chosen and Bush is not, the terrorists will strike the US? which is worse. Or to question his patriotism, while he was the one in Vietnam? Which is worse. |
Well first off that has nothing to do with family members. Second, you need to provide specific quotes. Third, there are reasons to question his patriotism, and to believe that we'd be less safe under his presidency.
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Even though Kerry could have just shut up about it, the issue is not Kerry. The issue is with Cheney. Why is he trying to get outraged with his fellow party men, when he could turn this EASILY into landslide victory, by giving a strong speech, taking her daughter to the stage, hugging her and telling he loves her and supports her decisions and that he is comfortable with it? This would make Kerry a jerk and Cheney a ****ing huge hero, American style!
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What?
And I am no communist, you are all missing the point, and that is that only Americans are entitled to capitalism, not foreign spies, such as Teresa Heinz Ketchup Whore "57 Varieties."
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em seu burro dos pais!
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"It is a taboo. And for Kerry to apply that taboo, which makes people view someone differently, to his opponent's daughter, for no apparent reason, is uncalled for. And it sets bad precedent. Let's check Kerry's kid's SAT scores and use that to talk about our failing education system, why not?"
Hey, I didn't say it was a good idea for Kerry to bring it up. It definitely is kind of .. disrespectful in a way, but not because she is a lesbian, but because mentioning someones sexuality all together, as it is kind of irrelevant.
"Well first off that has nothing to do with family members. Second, you need to provide specific quotes. Third, there are reasons to question his patriotism, and to believe that we'd be less safe under his presidency."
Leave the family out of it you say? well ok, I can accept that. Do you really say, that Cheney didn't say that indirectly, however extremely directly? What country do you live in, even in here it's a known fact. Half a cross the globe! Open tv, read papers why don't you. You can question Kerry's patriotism all you want, I have no reason to believe he isn't a patriot. But you say this accusation is not bar with mentioning, that Cheney's daughter is a lesbian and for that he respects their family becase they are showing how different families can work? Of course that was an indirect attack in a way, but to say he has reached a new level of low in attacks..... I guess it just depends how you prioritize things. I say questioning his patriotism is the most gross accusation a person can make against him.
"What?
And I am no communist, you are all missing the point, and that is that only Americans are entitled to capitalism, not foreign spies, such as Teresa Heinz Ketchup Whore "57 Varieties.""
No wonder Republicans can't turn this into a victory issue. There were 2 ways to do it, the first one I explained. The second one is to just not mention it and it dies away. Instead they chose to get outraged.
I don't even understand the communist remark. Are you running out of ideas and arguments? I just don't get your whole argument. In fact I see where you are coming from with your issues in this thread. So, instead of debating about it for 3000 pages and not making any difference, you can start a new thread and call someone else a whore in it, and be against foreigners in there. I just feel like not debating with a racist.
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Poll Shows Disapproval of Cheney Daughter Reference
By Richard Morin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 15, 2004; 5:00 PM
An overwhelming majority of voters believe it was wrong for Democratic nominee John F. Kerry to have mentioned in Wednesday's presidential debate that Vice President Cheney's daughter was a lesbian, according to the latest Washington Post tracking survey.
Nearly two in three likely voters -- 64 percent -- said Kerry's comment was "inappropriate," including more than four in 10 of his own supporters and half of all swing voters. A third -- 33 percent -- thought the remark was appropriate.
Kerry mentioned that Cheney's daughter was a lesbian in response to a question from moderator Bob Schieffer of CBS News asking the candidates if they believed "homosexuality is a choice?"
After President Bush had answered that he "did not know," Kerry began by saying, " . . . If you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as."
After the debate, Lynne Cheney attacked Kerry for raising the issue of her daughter's sexuality during the debate. Both Cheneys have been open about their daughter's sexual orientation, which had been briefly mentioned by Sen. John Edwards and Cheney in the vice presidential debate the previous week.
The latest Post tracking poll continues to show the race deadlocked, with each candidate receiving 48 percent of the vote. Independent Ralph Nader continues to barely register nationally and gets 1 percent of the hypothetical vote.
But the survey also suggests that Kerry continues to claim a large lead in key battleground states. In these 13 states, Kerry held a 53 percent to 43 percent advantage among likely voters.
A total of 1,555 registered voters were interviewed Tuesday through Thursday nights, including 1,203 likely voters. Margin of sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points for the overall results and plus or minus six percentage points for results from the battleground states and for the question asking views on Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, which was asked only of those interviewed Thursday night. |
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To which I add:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...EMPLATE=DEFAULT
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Kerry Addresses Remark on Cheney Daughter
MILWAUKEE (AP) -- Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said Friday that his reference to Vice President Dick Cheney's daughter being a lesbian was meant as a "constructive comment."
Kerry defended himself from objections raised by Cheney and his wife, Lynne, that he would discuss their daughter's sexuality.
"It was meant constructively in terms of their love and affection for a person who is who she is," Kerry said in an interview taped for broadcast Friday night on CNN's "Paula Zahn Now." "And it was entirely as an example of how people come together around these choices, entirely constructively and respectfully."
Kerry raised Mary Cheney's sexuality during the final presidential debate Wednesday night. While President Bush said he didn't know if sexuality is a choice, Kerry used Mary Cheney as an example to suggest that homosexuality is formed at birth.
By a 2-1 margin, likely voters found Kerry's comment inappropriate, according to an ABC News poll out Friday. Bush also thought it was inappropriate, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.
"I cannot think of a single instance where a presidential candidate has talked about his opponent's child in such a way," McClellan told reporters on Air Force One.
The vice president and his wife accused Kerry of using their daughter for political gain. Kerry pointed out that the Cheneys also have talked about their daughter being a lesbian in public.
"They've embraced her and they love her," Kerry said. "And I think - I have great respect for them for that. And it seems to me that that's the point I was making."
Kerry also was asked during the CNN interview to name three mistakes he's made. Bush was asked that question during the second debate, and Kerry has criticized him for not giving a complete answer.
Kerry also gave a vague answer. "Gosh, I think I made a mistake in terms of the breadth of some of the programs that I have talked about in the primaries because the deficit was larger than we anticipated and we obviously couldn't afford," he said.
He said he's never regretted voting for the resolution to go to war in Iraq.
Kerry also said he's not had any conversation with independent candidate Ralph Nader since their meeting on May 19, and he's not aware of anyone on his staff who is talking to him, either.
And Kerry said that he doesn't think it's excessive that men going through airport security have to unbutton their pants or that women must have a full pat-down of their upper body.
"That's the price we have to pay in order to be safe," Kerry said. He added that what really bothers him is that the cargo hold is not being fully X-rayed while passengers are going through such screening. |
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Dec 2000
time: 23:21
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Originally posted by MrFun
Let's look at a much more revealing statement made by a politician . . . . . . .
six months after 9/11 Bush said at a press conference that he was not concerned about Osama Bin Ladin. So much for his purported war against terrorism. |
You can't even spell his name right 
Listen, picasso, OBL ain't the focus of the war on terror, he is one old guy who is probably dead. In case you didn't notice, we are fighting a terrorist radical ideology, held by ideologues, who seek to destroy us, not just one old man in a cave who is dead, check your facts. 
Pekka from your last post I take it you agree with me that Kerry was wrong, well, chalk one up for the GOOD GUYS
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Dec 1999
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Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said Friday that his reference to Vice President Dick Cheney's daughter being a lesbian was meant as a "constructive comment."
Kerry defended himself from objections raised by Cheney and his wife, Lynne, that he would discuss their daughter's sexuality.
"It was meant constructively in terms of their love and affection for a person who is who she is," Kerry said in an interview taped for broadcast Friday night on CNN's "Paula Zahn Now." "And it was entirely as an example of how people come together around these choices, entirely constructively and respectfully." |
Sorry I'm pulling the transcript of what Kerry said and I don't see the constructive love and family inference spin Kerry is trying to impart.
Not buying it.
Ohhhh and he sold Mary Beth Cahill down the river for saying Mary Cheney was "fair game". Something like he wouldn't describe Mary Cheney in that fashion and he didn't hear her remarks. In other words to describe his attempt to invoke Mary Cheney as extemporaneous and something other than scripted for effect.
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KERRY: We're all God's children, Bob. And I think if you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as.
I think if you talk to anybody, it's not choice. I've met people who struggled with this for years, people who were in a marriage because they were living a sort of convention, and they struggled with it.
And I've met wives who are supportive of their husbands or vice versa when they finally sort of broke out and allowed themselves to live who they were, who they felt God had made them.
I think we have to respect that.
The president and I share the belief that marriage is between a man and a woman. I believe that. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman.
But I also believe that because we are the United States of America, we're a country with a great, unbelievable Constitution, with rights that we afford people, that you can't discriminate in the workplace. You can't discriminate in the rights that you afford people.
You can't disallow someone the right to visit their partner in a hospital. You have to allow people to transfer property, which is why I'm for partnership rights and so forth.
Now, with respect to DOMA and the marriage laws, the states have always been able to manage those laws. And they're proving today, every state, that they can manage them adequately. |
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