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Spiffor is offline Spiffor
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I've been living in Germany for three weeks now (hence my non-presence here), and I love this country. Each time I'm amazed by how "different" the place is.

1. Naked, mixed gender saunas
Well, it doesn't deserve to be the #1 perk of Germany, but this way I'm sure you'll be reading my thread

I went yesterday for the first time in a German sauna, with two female friends and a boyfriend of theirs. Here, many German / Finns would wonder "so what?", but from my French (and hence nudity-shy) perspective, it was something completely new.

Dozens of naked people, of both genders and all ages above 16, we entering a sauna, taking a shower, or bathing in cold water. And I was among them, quite unsure of what to do. Fortunately, my friends (whom I saw naked for the first time as well) helped me feeling comfortable quickly.

It's quite strange at first, as I was still considering nudity as something sexual, something intimous (and I still do to some extent). But the mood was really good, and I was soon completely unhinibited. Not only with nudity, mind you, but with other things as well (I tend to avoid speaking German, as I'm shy on my German skills - such inhibition disappeared just the same as my nudity-inhibition).

Because in such circumstances, we don't evaluate each other. We are all wholly exposed, and thus don't we feel like criticizing the other. In a kind of way, we're completely equal. I didn't even think some snide comment about the old naked people in the sauna; heck, I didn't even noticed them

It was really gemütlich as the German say, a pleasant feeling of being like at home... In any case, it was an excellent experience, that I recommand to everybody here, and that I'm looking forward to repeat

(btw, I happened to watch "Girls Gone Wild" some time ago. It's basically American girls exposing their breasts to everybody on the beach during springbreak, and making a big fuss about it. So what? I just showed my dick to dozens of people, and just saw dozens of breast - where's the big deal?)

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germany >>>> france

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Mixed gender Saunas, eww.

I know what you mean though, it's a non-sexual thing.

The gym I go to has a steam room ('wet sauna'), that is very popular. Virtually no one wears a towel or clothing in there, 'cause they get wet so quickly. So of course, they're naked. It's so ****ing hot in there, and it's such a...non-sexual thing that it's...not sexual.

It, thankfully, is not mixed gender.

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I just showed my dick to dozens of people, and just saw dozens of breast - where's the big deal?)


I hope you were in full control of your little cheney, whilst seeing the naked breasts?!

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2. Ads

I love German ads. When I first came to Germany, four years ago, they were still "old-school" ads, i.e they just showed the name of the product, and told it was good
A very famous ad is Müllermilch (some milk product): it goes "Müllermilch, Müllermilch, Müllermilch geschmeckt" ("Müllermilch, Müllermilch, Müllermilch tastes good").

Sadly, these kind of "old-school" ads, completely devoid of today's glitz, of today's acute manipulation of the psyche, have now disappeared

But they have been replaced by some really stupid ads as well. My personal favorites are sexist ads. Cigarettes (especially West) are extremely adept at creating sexist ads that makes the feminists seethe.

These days, I see everyday a billboard where you see one man at some café, between two women. The two women are not well-focused (soft image) while the man is very well focused. The man has a closed mouth, but for the cigarette, and the two women look like they are screming more than chatting. The parole "Für einfach mal di Halte klappen" ("to shut up, for once") is the icing on the sexist cake.

ANother billboard I see advertises for a free cell-phone given with an abo. It goes: "Show this to your woman: something good looking which is free". Simply amazing

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sorry, but:

ming >>> germany

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You should have seen the underwear ads of the nineties. Over-life-size pictures of Claudia Schiffer or Naomi Campbell in sexy lingerie at the roadside, and people wondered about the sudden increase of accidents.

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germany >>>> france


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So, you're back to France now, Spiff and can't visit me in Berlin? http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=124048

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3. Bureaucracy

No essay about Germany would be complete without speaking about their excellent bureaucracy.

Let me get this straight: in August, I had found a job in Stuttgart starting October 11. I had plenty of friends able to host me in Stuttgart (including my girlfriend), a more-than-willing employer. And the nightmare begun.

A°/ It is a legal job. So, I must have the Lohnsteurkarte (a card that has all my info wrt taxes)by Oct. 11 in order to sign the contract.
B°/ To obtain my Lohnsteuerkarte, I need an Anmeldebestätigung, i.e a paper proving that I live in Stuttgart.
C°/ To get the Anmeldebestätigung, I need a legal place to live in Stuttgart. Problem is, most of my friends live in student dorms, and are forbidden to legally pretend that I am a legal resident of their place.

So, in order to work, I was compelled to find a frigging place to rent, despite being able to live for free at half-a-dozen's friends.
Useless to say, my quest for a room quickly turned into the "quest for the right signature". I eventually found a friend of mine who was legally able to give it. But this idiocy actually threatetened the job I was completely able to do.

As a foreigner, and despite being a European, I am also entitled to have an Aufenthaltsbewilligung, an authorization of staying. The precise documents one needs to get the Aufenthaltsbewilligung vary from bureacurat to bureaucrat, but it looks like this:

- Proof that I am a student (per paper given to my by the uni - in my specific French-German programme, my obtaining this document was made extraordinarily easier than normal)
- Anmeldebestätigung
- Bank documents for the three last months, to prove that I'm rich enough, and that I don't come here to suck the social services (one can only get this document if one can justify more than a specified monthly income)
- Healthcare documents, which I cannot procide, because my French health-care can't send me the documents I would need, in a very French-bureaucratic way.
- ID-photos.
- ID

(when doing my Aufenthaltsbewilligung, I generally take all the official documents I can gather, because it's always better to have too much than not enough - especially considering there is an average of a 2-hour-long queue )

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Germany, France, Italy, Greece, Spain..Europe Rocks! (not the band)

And so do mixed gender saunas with naked hot chicks in them

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Sorry Werner, but I'm going back to France this saturday for two weeks (I'm still in Stuttgart right now, it's just that my girlfriend has just got the internet)

Maybe next time then. And I'm probably closer from Austria than from Berlin here anyway ? Would you happen to live in Bregenz by any chance? :suddenly-very-interested:

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And so do mixed gender saunas with naked hot chicks in them

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Well, you'd be surprised how many documents they needed to get us the green card and then how long we had to wait.

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I am confused- why is the third one in there? You sarcastic bastard!

So when do you begin to sing Deutschland Deutschland Uber alles?

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So when do you begin to sing Deutschland Deutschland Uber alles?

Not right now, despite it still being the official German anthem (it dates back to the German unification in the 19th century, and I think even before the unification was made)

But give me some time, and some one-liter glasses of beer, and I'lll be singin "Am Prosit" just like any other German

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Perhaps you'd like to join our leftist youth summer camp next time since we had those saunas every night. After sweating, drinking beer and telling jokes at the sauna we all went swimming to the lake. Later we all sat by the camp fire and sung the Internationale. I could have stayed for another week.

You get to know people so much more easier once you've seen them naked. Even if you cant see much because you wear glasses..

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Maybe next time then. And I'm probably closer from Austria than from Berlin here anyway ? Would you happen to live in Bregenz by any chance? :suddenly-very-interested:


Bregenz could be a good place for a meeting indeed. There could be more people around, sabrewolf comes to mind.

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4. Plenty of other things

There are plenty of "different" things in Germany that deserve interest. Like the fact they sell their their yoghurts one by one.
Or the fact they drown all of their meals under tons of sauce.
Or their ability to drink a one-liter glass of beer while singing "Am Prosit" in complete communion with people they don't know at all.
Or their flawless mass-transit system
Or their sucky, pathetic, horrible national trains
Or their love for square-ish, ugly architecture (at least in Stuttgart)
Or their talent for foreign languages
Or their craziness about recycling
Or their apparent love for Danish, worse-than-hell, cowmilk feta
Or the fact that Kebaps are really a German meal, not a Turkish one
.....

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I think that Spiffor is in love with a German girl.

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[ http://www.thingsmygirlfriendandihavearguedabout.com/ ]

she's german.

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di Halte klappen

Ils sont fou(x?), ces Francais

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I think that Spiffor is in love with a German girl.

Not even that. My girlfriend comes from Paris' suburbs just like me, and studies between Bordeaux and Stuttgart just like me. But we did meet in Germany, and are now together here

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di Halte klappen

Ils sont fou(x?), ces Francais

I shouldn't write in German when I'm tired like that

Time to go to bed I guess. Tomorrow, work at 08:00

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Or their talent for foreign languages


Sure.
My favourite quote from a German showing off his impressive language skills is:
"Ziz is ze fiwst time I speak aenglisch ven am dwunk"

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(I tend to avoid speaking German, as I'm shy on my German skills - such inhibition disappeared just the same as my nudity-inhibition)


You speak excellent german!

Btw, Bregenz would be indeed nice for a meet. I could finally give you the 40 euros I still owe you

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But why did you move to Stuttgart in the first place? That city is not really the most beautiful place.

Oh, and btw, Deutschland, Deutschland über alles isn't the offical national anthem. It was changed in 1991. It's now only the third strophe of the "Deutschlandlied" that doesn't include "Deutschland, Deutschland über alles".

Come to Heidelberg.

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Sorry Werner, but I'm going back to France this saturday for two weeks (I'm still in Stuttgart right now, it's just that my girlfriend has just got the internet)

Maybe next time then. And I'm probably closer from Austria than from Berlin here anyway ? Would you happen to live in Bregenz by any chance? :suddenly-very-interested:


Maybe next time, though Bregenz is right at the opposite end of Austria. I live at Graz, close to the Slovenian border.
Btw., where in France do you live?

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Germany, France, Italy, Greece, Spain..Europe Rocks! (not the band)



The band rocks too

 
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