22-10-2004 21:03									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy Well there should be. Wearing burberry? **** off.

In ten years time, burberry will be ironic post-chav cool. Briefly.

	22-10-2004 21:05									#62
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The Mill Limit is now more, I've redefined and expanded it, but I'm not prepared to discuss it until I can present it coherently with its assumptions also clearly presented. So no dice.

	22-10-2004 21:07									#63
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quote: In ten years time, burberry will be ironic post-chav cool. Briefly.

Insert dilenquent fashion of the time. Or whatever.

	22-10-2004 21:07									#64
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You've taken your first steps into the light. It's a gradual process but well have your cured of this festering liberalism yet.

	22-10-2004 21:08									#65
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So all you need to be a respected conservative is an unhealthy amount of hate? Sweet!!

	22-10-2004 21:11									#66
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A belief in freedom is a much more desired prerequisite.

	22-10-2004 21:18									#67
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc A belief in freedom is a much more desired prerequisite.

But far less common-whaleboy found the most common motivation. Oh, whaleboy, you also forgot fear. That is a strong one.

	22-10-2004 21:19									#68
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I have a belief in freedom, just right now I have a belief that these bastards deserve nothing more than cold steel in the esophagus.

EDIT: I have the view that freedom is cool... my belief involves something resembling sharp impliments tearing through bloody burberry.
EDIT2: Would an overpowering hatred of stupid people also work?

Last edited by Whaleboy on 22-10-2004 at 21:26

	22-10-2004 22:18									#69
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara [quote]When you live in or grow up in suchareas, you tend to be far more aware of your surroundings and nip developing bad situations in the bud. I never had a problem until I moved away from a bad area and let my guard down. Then some visiting thugs got me cuz I wasn't paying attention.

This is very true. Alot of it is just knowing how to handle yourself. I remember when I was young we used to hang out at the train stations and, um, "annoy" out-of-towners... and it was always so easy to know who was from where by the way they acted, dressed, talked, etc..

quote: It's cuz he fought back. They don't like it when you have the temerity to try and hurt them, and apparently he did actually hurt them. That would have made them mad.

Yeah, I think whaleboy should take a lesson from this... as much as it all sucks. Don't fight back, you really need to treat these people like professionals. They've come with a specific purpose, and once that transaction is completed, the incident is over. You can always call the bank and close your accounts.

But I think, like Che said, the key is to avoid these situations in the first place. If you must walk in these neighborhoods, walk with purpose. Always be looking around, but with your eyes, not your neck or you'll look paranoid (ie, a target). Also, if you've got jewelry or a nice CD player, put them away. You don't want to seem obviously above the socioeconomic level of the locals... mess up your hair if you have any, and have a kind of dead/mad look on your face. Remember, the key to these games is intimidation. Someone who looks like a bum and who's walking around with a scowl looks too out there to be scared in the first place... they'll move onto the next target.

	22-10-2004 22:24									#70
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Whaleboy that sucks and I am feeling with ya!

The best defense in such a situation is to have a belt of (fake) TNT that you show to them and that you tell them you are going to let it explode if they just touch you. If you are a somewhat good actor you could play this realistic enough so that they let off you.
Or maybe instead of TNT you use several smoke grenades that you tell are "fragmentation grenades" and that you can even make use of and try to escape, should they really be so mad and try to attack you.

	22-10-2004 22:26									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa Whaleboy that sucks and I am feeling with ya! The best defense in such a situation is to have a belt of (fake) TNT that you show to them and that you tell them you are going to let it explode if they just touch you. If you are a somewhat good actor you could play this realistic enough so that they let off you. Or maybe instead of TNT you use several smoke grenades that you tell are "fragmentation grenades" and that you can even make use of and try to escape, should they really be so mad and try to attack you.

Haha, the suicide bomber approach!

	22-10-2004 22:31									#72
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I bet it'd work!

The smoke grenade thing even gives you a PLAN B (that is, if they don't cause any harm being launched so close to your body)

	22-10-2004 23:11									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy I can't go to the police because technically I think I did them more damage and it's my word against theirs, though admittedly, as snobby as this sounds, my RP accent is likely to cut more ice than their slack jawed Northamptonian drawl. Anyway I can't really be bothered anyway, I'm happier that I hurt them than I would be if I was just a victim.

You daft bugger. You were legitimately defending yourself.

If you don't go to the police, forget about an insurance claim. You're also letting them get away with it.

	22-10-2004 23:25									#74
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Killing your attacker with a gun
Making them dance the "Electric Slide"

+ *bzZZt* == +

	22-10-2004 23:27									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy EDIT2: Would an overpowering hatred of stupid people also work?

Yes.

quote: Killing your attacker with a gun

Why?

	22-10-2004 23:29									#76
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I'm glad you're starting to see the light Whaleboy

By the way,

quote: But I think, like Che said, the key is to avoid these situations in the first place. If you must walk in these neighborhoods, walk with purpose. Always be looking around, but with your eyes, not your neck or you'll look paranoid (ie, a target). Also, if you've got jewelry or a nice CD player, put them away. You don't want to seem obviously above the socioeconomic level of the locals... mess up your hair if you have any, and have a kind of dead/mad look on your face. Remember, the key to these games is intimidation. Someone who looks like a bum and who's walking around with a scowl looks too out there to be scared in the first place... they'll move onto the next target.

That's exactly how I avoid being bothered at work. I walk around extremely quickly, with a pissed off look on my face, and people are too afraid to bother me - my temper is well known, if seldom seen.

	22-10-2004 23:33									#77
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Because, DD, blood is one of the hardest stains to remove, plus there are all the messy legal consequences afterwards like proving it was in self-defense.

That, and tasers are more fun.

	22-10-2004 23:36									#78
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REPORT THIS, Whaleboy!

There probably isn't anything the cops can do, but at least try. Maybe you'll get lucky and they will find the ****ers.

-Arrian

	22-10-2004 23:41									#79
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*Joins the sensible chorus*
Yes Whaleboy, go to the police, file a report, and let them find the f*ckers.

	22-10-2004 23:48									#80
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quote: Because, DD, blood is one of the hardest stains to remove, plus there are all the messy legal consequences afterwards like proving it was in self-defense.

If the guy who tried to mug you is dead in a dark alley, with a knife on him, dressed like ****, no ID, etc., then proving self defense shouldn't be a problem - you just say, "It was self defense", and any cop or court with half a brain will believe you.

	23-10-2004 00:10									#81
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That's why I mentioned the blood stains first.

	23-10-2004 00:53									#82
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Chavs are not worthy of life, kill them all before they migrate across the channel!

	23-10-2004 00:55									#83
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Firstly, you're stupid for not going to the police AND the hospital. Chuck that useless machasimo aside, and get yourself checked out for internal bleeding.

Secondly, get real. Everyone hates neds, but they're a fact of life. Like traffic. Adding guns to the equation doesn't do a thing. Except meaning that we have to worry about neds, traffic and guns.

	23-10-2004 00:57									#84
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You mean more than one Ned populates the Nedaverse?!

	23-10-2004 01:02									#85
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Ned is Scottish slang for the tracksuit-wearing, baseball-capped scum which live in British cities.

Stands for 'non-educated delinquent'.

	23-10-2004 01:02									#86
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Hmmm I'll think about reporting it to the police. Another reason I didn't want to post was in deference to my family... they don't need the fuss at the moment... I told them I'd fallen down some stairs. But yeh like I said I'm thinking about it.

To be honest this town has taken such a slide lately, I've been toying with the idea of carrying some kind of non-firearmlike weapon, like a knife or a baton of some description... I guess today has rekindled that idea. Anyone know what's legal in the UK, and what's effective?

I'm fine against a single attacker unarmed, like I said I'm a big guy with some aikedo training and I'm working out a lot more than I was, but against a number like that is a problem.

	23-10-2004 01:05									#87
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Don't think. Do.

	23-10-2004 01:10									#88
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Well I have to think about it because there is my family to consider. They don't need the stress at the moment of police officers visiting and the phonecalls etc. I probably won't but yes it deserves consideration.

	23-10-2004 01:13									#89
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But they need the stress of eventually finding out you were jumped, didn't report it, then lied to them about it?

	23-10-2004 01:34									#90
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I don't want to sound like a sensitive killjoy or anything.... nor am I giving orders, but would it be alright if we can drop the police thing? I don't want to explain why but it's a tough call for me and I'll come to a decision in my own time. Thankyou for the concern though, it's nice to know that people do care and all .