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Whaleboy is offline Whaleboy
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I'm now for the legalisation of guns and sword swords in the UK.

I was beaten up today by a gang of four dilenquent, burberry clad townies as I was walking back home from the town centre. Had to go through a relatively rough neighbourhood to reach the nicer suburbs where I live about two or three miles from there. Said townies approach me with the usual crap including "do you want a fight", in their slack jawed, mentally difficient "dead or incarcerated" voices and proceeded to punch me. I hit back, I got one in the nose pretty good and I might have broken another's jaw, but 4 dilenquents against 1 non fighter, big guy as he is, isn't much of a fight, I went down, they kicked me repeatedly until they buggered off for some reason with my phone and cd player. That was about two and a half hours ago, maybe more I lose track of time sometimes.

Don't worry, I'm fine, my nose was bleeding pretty badly for almost an hour and I'm worry about one of my ribs but no permanent harm. I can't go to the police because technically I think I did them more damage and it's my word against theirs, though admittedly, as snobby as this sounds, my RP accent is likely to cut more ice than their slack jawed Northamptonian drawl. Anyway I can't really be bothered anyway, I'm happier that I hurt them than I would be if I was just a victim.

Anyway all that aside, and the fact that I'm ****ing angry at the moment, I've been thinking how easier it would have been with a revolver and four small lumps of metal. They negate my responsibility to them to not kill them when they attack me.

I figure it makes sense that people are nicer to each other when they have the ability to kill each other at the touch of a button.

So I think handguns/revolvers (I don't know much about guns so probably some Americans could help me out here) should be legalised, but only for law abiding, upstanding people who have proved themselves good, reasonable people and not dilenquent... so obviously criminals and the undesireably element should be forbidden ownership. Now obviously they can get guns anyway illegally and they can be easily hidden which does suck.

However, I've been thinking of short swords. Four unarmed teenagers against one man with a rapier aren't going to get very far, plus you are effectively saying, "attack me, and I have the choice between beheading you, disembowling you, castrating you or simply impaling you", which will make them think twice against the innocent people they attack.

Indeed, such measures would also help reduce the needless violence on Britains streets fuelled by alcohol (which should also be denied to the undesireable element). So a few townies are going to die, like I give a ****.

Now some of you are going to say "well what about the mill limit and peace and love for all", well that's just an intellectual, artistic position. This is the real world, where most people are too stupid to think for themselves, and little more than children with bigger muscles and shoes. Children need parents, rules and discipline.

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good job

guns

swords

crossbows

non lethal weapons

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I never thought I'd read such a post from you.

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oh, glad you are okay. but you really should go to the police.

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Pepper spray? Shooting someone is a tricky business.

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Legalization of guns is part of the Mill limit, elijah

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What about those electroshock thingies?

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Right. Legalise guns, so thta when this happens again, they'll have guns to. Now THAT will be fun.

How is it different if everyone has a gun, aside from the fact that people wont survive experiences like you just lived?

You know, someone faught someone else somedaty. And that person lost, so he made a weapon so it would'nt happen again.
The next time, he used that weapon, he won. But the opponent made a bigger weapon, and on, and on, and on.

Discusting.

Use your freakin fists pussies!

Spec.

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Maybe we should bring back the good old duels? At least they were somehow fair

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The whole thing about gun legislation is that it doesn't keep the guns out of the hands of criminals, just out of good people's hands. If someone thinks you have a gun you are less likely to be robbed. Unless they're homicidal maniacs, they're going to go for the path of less resistence.

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Pepper spray? Shooting someone is a tricky business.


pepper spray is tricky too. you have to hit them near the head for it to be effective. and 1% of the population is immune to pepper spray.

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Legalization of guns is part of the Mill limit, elijah


Indeed, but denying it to idiots isn't. But like I said, we can only really classify them as human on account of their genes, by any other reasonable definition they hardly qualify.

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Pepper spray? Shooting someone is a tricky business.


You can get used to pepper spray, and they could also use it against you. That's why I suggest the use of shortswords too.

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What about those electroshock thingies?


Good plan! . But like I said they shouldn't really be alive anyway, so might as well cleanse the gene pool while you're defending yourself

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Right. Legalise guns, so thta when this happens again, they'll have guns to. Now THAT will be fun.


Well the idea is that they wouldn't be allowed them whereas I would be... but yes they could get them illegally, which is a problem... but then, none more so than today. However, I suspect that most of the dilenquents in the US and UK today who do use guns have little idea of proper technique that qualified gun owners or US police officers etc have... so for those that are allowed guns in the UK perhaps they should also be trained in fast drawing and accurate shooting etc.

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Use your freakin fists pussies!


Four on one? Ideally these people (undoubtably problem students) should be locked away in educational prisons until the age of 21... it's not like their parents are remotely competant anyway, but obviously thats not so good for the economy so for the while they're going to be roaming the streets without fearing the consequences of their delinquency. I don't think that's right.

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The whole thing about gun legislation is that it doesn't keep the guns out of the hands of criminals, just out of good people's hands. If someone thinks you have a gun you are less likely to be robbed. Unless they're homicidal maniacs, they're going to go for the path of less resistence.


I knew eventually I'd agree with you on something.

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Good plan! . But like I said they shouldn't really be alive anyway, so might as well cleanse the gene pool while you're defending yourself


Just in case you get the sword, may I remember you that I never spoke bad about relativists

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Why do people always fight? So stupid. Yes the real world is ugly sometimes ... No I don't have any solution. Other than to become stronger oneself. Guns are not the solution. Fightings are not either. But how can you teach the uneducated to be nice and kind? Only when you are stronger than them, will them listen to you.

Take care Whaleboy.

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The whole thing about gun legislation is that it doesn't keep the guns out of the hands of criminals, just out of good people's hands. If someone thinks you have a gun you are less likely to be robbed. Unless they're homicidal maniacs, they're going to go for the path of less resistence.


But then, why homicidal maniacs have to commit a crime before they are killed by society is beyond me.

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Maybe we should bring back the good old duels? At least they were somehow fair


Duels

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Snowflake is a fitting name for you. Especially the flake part.

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I can't go to the police because technically I think I did them more damage and it's my word against theirs,


Hmm, you mean single people often pick fights against foursomes???

Go to the police man.

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Indeed, but denying it to idiots isn't. But like I said, we can only really classify them as human on account of their genes, by any other reasonable definition they hardly qualify.


Actually, IMO the Mill limit doesn't make the distinction.

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Why do people always fight? So stupid. Yes the real world is ugly sometimes ... No I don't have any solution. Other than to become stronger oneself. Guns are not the solution. Fightings are not either. But how can you teach the uneducated to be nice and kind? Only when you are stronger than them, will them listen to you.

Take care Whaleboy.


Thankyou! The trouble is that they won't listen to reason, and if they have numbers group intelligence goes down, hostility rises, even to people that are bigger than them. I'm a big guy, I'm 5'11 and heavily built, and I work out but they have numbers . But like I said, fighting isn't good, but it sure beats dying or getting serious injury to me.... cos in that situation, I value my life a hell of a lot more than I value theirs. Sounds harsh and sad but it's the truth about how these things work.

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seriously though. I own a gun. I would never carry it out in public. If you use it in that situation you are going to prison for the rest of your life. It's your word against theirs.

The only place I'd use my gun is inside of my home defending against invaders/burglars. Any other use is going to send you to a lengthy court battle

I'd rather die than go to prison and be raped.

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Snowflake is a fitting name for you. Especially the flake part.


and yours doens't fit you... especially the light part ...

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Snowflake is a fitting name for you. Especially the flake part.


you do realize she's a girl, right?

in any case, I agree with her. I guess that makes me a girlie man. . I hate it when people fight for no real reason. It bothers me.

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Actually, IMO the Mill limit doesn't make the distinction.


IMO you should run your opinions about the Mill Limit by its creator (namely me) before you state them as if to correct said creator! But in this case you are correct, it does not make the distinction between stupid people and good people. But then, this isn't an argument by the ML .

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Hmm, you mean single people often pick fights against foursomes???

Go to the police man.


Not worth it, trust me judging by how much punishment they're likely to get, it's not even worth my time.

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learn martial arts. It's fun and if your well trained you can take on four people and win, especially if your already in good physical shape. As for weapons, get a whipchain, you can hide it under your belt and you can easily hit multiple attackers from a safe distance with it.

I think the only people who should carry guns are old, enfeebled people to weak to defend themselves any other way.

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I'm glad I didn't have a gun when I was attacked. I would have used it, and killing someone over being slugged isn't something I'd be very happy about having done.

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old people shouldn't have a gun! they'd kill everyone but the attacker

and whip chains are considered lethal weapons I'm sure. You risk long prison terms hitting someone with that.

It's best to just take a beating and hope you don't die.

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Diss... I think that killing certain people shouldn't be murder... indeed, some people are only alive because it's against the law to kill them.

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Snowflake is a fitting name for you. Especially the flake part.


I'm a bit sissy, am not I?

But I admire heros too.

You got to able to put them all to the ground, then you'd be able to teach them what love is.

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and whip chains are considered lethal weapons I'm sure. You risk long prison terms hitting someone with that.


But you gotta admit, they sound fun!

 
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