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No, it would not be alright. We want you to do the right thing for yourself, your family, and even total strangers, and do your part to get these creeps behind bars. We joke, poke, and carry on because we do care. Regardless of how we view each other, we find it intolerable when one of our own is put in harm's way through no fault of their own.

If you had picked a fight in a bar, that would have been different.

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To be honest this town has taken such a slide lately, I've been toying with the idea of carrying some kind of non-firearmlike weapon, like a knife or a baton of some description... I guess today has rekindled that idea. Anyone know what's legal in the UK, and what's effective?


Steel toed boots perhaps?

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Good plan! . But like I said they shouldn't really be alive anyway, so might as well cleanse the gene pool while you're defending yourself


So if you had had a sword now, you'd be spending the rest of your life in prison instead of whining about your bloody nose on an Internet forum, not going to the cops and not telling the truth to your family. So on the one hand, you find it so horrible that you think the guys who attacked you deserve to die, yet on the other hand, you don't think it's worth going to the cops for, or telling your family, not to mention you're apparently not that badly hurt anyway or you wouldn't be posting here... Way to go, Whaleboy!

It sucks badly to be beaten up and I wish you all the best, but get your act together! (or did they kick you in the head one too many times)

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So if you had had a sword now, you'd be spending the rest of your life in prison instead of whining about your bloody nose on an Internet forum, not going to the cops and not telling the truth to your family.


Ideally there would be no law against killing such people.

Like I said, I haven't decided one way or another, but consideration for them is not a part of it... I'm not inclined to make my life worse so they can get a slap on the wrist so it all hinges on what impact it has on my life. But like I also said I'd appreciate it if you guys leave me to make that decision and talk about something else. If you want to talk about it, fine, I can't stop you but I'll ignore it cos I don't need to the pressure right now, theres plenty of other stuff I have to deal with too and I just hope people would be understanding enough to respect that.

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You made a thread about it, dude. Of course we're gonna talk about it (especially since many of us think you're reacting poorly).

Anyways, sorry you got attacked...

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Yeh I made a thread but I think it's poor taste to keep going on about it. You've all said what you have to say on the matter, no need to repeat yourself, it's my decision and you're not privy to everything I have to consider. I respect your views and that's what I've wanted to here, but there is a point where it becomes peer pressure.

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IMO you should run your opinions about the Mill Limit by its creator (namely me) before you state them as if to correct said creator!


So when I argue against the religionists I should try and conjure up the ghost of Ockham?


It should be mentioned that Ockham applied his razor to a vastly different dataset. Specifically:
a) God created the Universe
b) We don't know where the Universe came from

His choice was A.

A few centuries later, the choices are:
a) God created the Universe
b) We know where the Universe came from

Our choice is B.

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So if you had had a sword now, you'd be spending the rest of your life in prison


Yeah, but he woulda gone medieval on their asses!

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Might I recommend the Roman gladius for messy, short-range work? Easily concealed, yet lethal.

When you want the job done right the first time, trust the weapon that forged the Roman Empire

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IMO you should run your opinions about the Mill Limit by its creator (namely me) before you state them as if to correct said creator!


So when I argue against the religionists I should try and conjure up the ghost of Ockham?


It should be mentioned that Ockham applied his razor to a vastly different dataset. Specifically:
a) God created the Universe
b) We don't know where the Universe came from

His choice was A.

A few centuries later, the choices are:
a) God created the Universe
b) We know where the Universe came from

Our choice is B.


My point was that the person who first proposes a certain logical system isn't the arbiter of the answers given by those rules.

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My point was that the person who first proposes a certain logical system isn't the arbiter of the answers given by those rules.


Yes, but when you have the creator on hand, surely it is common sense to consult him? Especially considering that the Mill Limit as it stands now has been "rebuilt" as it were since 15 months ago.

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Might I recommend the Roman gladius for messy, short-range work? Easily concealed, yet lethal.

When you want the job done right the first time, trust the weapon that forged the Roman Empire


I was thinking along the lines of the good ol' rapier for appearances, or possibly a Samurai Wakizashi (a Katana would be overkill of course ). Still, good for chopping wood

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I still say use the gladius - much easier to conceal, much easier to use at short ranges (inside an opponent's reach), and lighter than a Samurai-type sword.

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This is true but come on, slicing someone in two in a single stroke, and looking sooo damn cool at the same time!

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Whaleboy. A few thoughts.

Don't carry something you aren't prepared to use.

The police will get upset if you have even pepper spray or CS gas. Carrying anything which can be classed as a weapon in the UK throws "self-defence" out of the window as an excuse. Should you be found with such an item you will almost certainly be prosecuted (maybe not someone who is female or elderly but someone of your age and build will end up in court).

Your choice is basically to carry something, use it, walk away and hope nobody recognises you later or not to fight and rely on the police. However the likelihood that, even if caught, the scum will only get a joke sentence of a couple of months inside, rather than 50 strokes of the birch doesn't really give much confidence in the judicial system.

I own and practice with a set of ninja swords and have tried various martial arts weapons over the years, nunchakus, tonfa, batons and various knives. Swords, even a shortsword are far from easy to conceal and use without a lot of practice. Same goes for most baton type weapons which have the same problem of sheer bulk. Large knives are out for that reason too.

If you can find one (they used to be sold) one of those telescopic batons might work. There are various companies who sell knives and other items mail order in the UK.

If you feel you must carry something then you will have to practice with it regularly and be prepared to use it. Also, if you are set on fighting back Queensberry rules don't apply. Punching in the face isn't adequate. Breaking an arm or a knee will give the thug something to think about rather than attacking you.

Your choice. Stay safe and I hope you never have to face such a situation again.

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I'm for the right to own suitcase nukes. MAD on an individual level, what can be better. Those burglars will now think twice befor they enter your home

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Hmmm I'll think about reporting it to the police. Another reason I didn't want to post was in deference to my family... they don't need the fuss at the moment


**** 'em. Report it. They'd tell you likewise.

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Yeh I made a thread but I think it's poor taste to keep going on about it.


I've heard about this "good taste" concept, but I can't see it catching on.

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Look- I've been on the receiving end of a few kickings, and I know what it's like. It's embarrassing, shameful and depressing. Yes- you just want to get the experience behind you, but as you're well aware there's more to it than that. So save the impotent revenge fantasies and do something that's both constructive and right.

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The police will get upset if you have even pepper spray or CS gas. Carrying anything which can be classed as a weapon in the UK throws "self-defence" out of the window as an excuse. Should you be found with such an item you will almost certainly be prosecuted (maybe not someone who is female or elderly but someone of your age and build will end up in court).


WTF? Carrying pepper spray to defend yourself throws self-defense out the window in the UK? That's utterly absurd!

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Hope you are feeling cool man, Lauren sends her best.

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Hey all, I'm doing better today... nose is still a bit sore obviously, eye's ok, ribs are better and I have an excuse not to work on my abs for a day or two . Scotty, thanks dude my best wishes to Lauren and yourself .

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WTF? Carrying pepper spray to defend yourself throws self-defense out the window in the UK? That's utterly absurd!


Yeh that is completely messed up. I have decided that this town is just too dangerous. I've been talking to an old friend from college and things have been taking a slide in his area too, so really it is quite stupid for someone to go out in Northampton these days without some kind of protection... makes you realise how intimidating this town is.

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If you feel you must carry something then you will have to practice with it regularly and be prepared to use it. Also, if you are set on fighting back Queensberry rules don't apply. Punching in the face isn't adequate. Breaking an arm or a knee will give the thug something to think about rather than attacking you.


Very true. It seems that the best kind of weapon that would double up as a useful item so you can still claim defense in court would be something like a screwdriver or a pen of some description... but the very idea of a defensive weapon is more of a deterrent. Larger items that better fit that role are out of the question and if given the choice between using a small knife or my hands, I'd stick with my hands (more control, and knives are very easy to defend against).

Seems my best best is to learn to throw better punches, take up Aikedo again and when I fix my knee (very old injury) possibly take up a more offensive martial art.... it seems with the law as it is, carrying the kind of weapons that would work for defense just wouldn't work. I must admit, CS and Pepper spray are tempting, but the stupid stupid law... That said, the objective is to get away uninjured, these thugs are hardly likely to bring charges against someone they attacked.

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I figure it makes sense that people are nicer to each other when they have the ability to kill each other at the touch of a button.


Sure? The violent crime rate in the US does not bear this out.

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An Armed Society is a Polite Society.

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Sure? The violent crime rate in the US does not bear this out.


That's only criminals and gang warefare etc... I can't imagine the same kind of petty street thuggery exists in the USA as it does in the UK. With regards to gangs... far better they kill each other off than innocent police officers risking their lives.

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You've taken your first steps into the light. It's a gradual process but well have your cured of this festering liberalism yet.


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That's only criminals and gang warefare etc... I can't imagine the same kind of petty street thuggery exists in the USA as it does in the UK. With regards to gangs... far better they kill each other off than innocent police officers risking their lives.


Gang warfare certainly explains part of the situation, but not all of it.

Crooks who are willing to use guns don't care who is on the receiving end.

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How come the British guys on the forums are always getting jumped by townies?

Has it always been this way? Or has recenlty things turned this way?

 
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