29-10-2004 14:19									#31
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Agathon that's your best avatar to date.

	29-10-2004 16:41									#32
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No, my side allways seems to be the losing side. And that's not because of my arguing/presentation/debating skills, but because of my wievs:
- I want higher taxation (low taxes = bad social healthcare, education, ect.)
- I want to reverse the economic growth (economic growth = pollution in the atmosphere)
- I want the Kioto agreement to be fully effective right now
- I want G.W.Bush to STFU and resign
- I want a green-party president/prime minister to every industrial country right now

So, if you want to be a winner, and you see me giving an opininon on something, just take a side against me. And you'll be on the winning team.

	29-10-2004 21:00									#33
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I have honestly never kept count.

I'm a bit wary of entering a debate unless I've got something to add to it - even if it is just a little piece of humour.

	29-10-2004 21:01									#34
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I've never seen anyone win a debate on 'poly.

	29-10-2004 21:24									#35
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider As a whole, we Commies generally win in everything though.

Ya that "world communism" thing is working out just great

	29-10-2004 21:27									#36
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I don't know about winning or losing debates but I am usually right in my positions when I take them. But then again I take very few cut and dried positions.

Oh the exception is that I win every debate against kidicious .

	29-10-2004 21:28									#37
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Er, forum arguments aren't verbal...

	29-10-2004 21:34									#38
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quote: Or at least he did with Ben Kenobi, that was very entertaining.

	29-10-2004 21:37									#39
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quote: You'll know if it ever happens.

quote: "Know" is hardly an objective measurement.

Hey!

Tingkai PWNs!

	29-10-2004 21:39									#40
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH I've never seen anyone win a debate on 'poly.

No matter who wins, everyone loses.

	29-10-2004 21:41									#41
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quote: Oh the exception is that I win every debate against kidicious

No you don't. Sometimes your side is blatantly unfair.

	29-10-2004 21:45									#42
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I never lose. But I don't consider myself part of a "side". I'm my own person. My opinions are my own, and not simple rhetoric from any "side".

	29-10-2004 21:46									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon the fact that the internet contains a practically infinite number of articles on either side of almost any subject renders this process meaningless

Only if you assume all the websites are similarly authoritative, which isn't the case.

	29-10-2004 21:48									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Only if you assume all the websites are similarly authoritative, which isn't the case.

For example, an independent, established research company is more authoritative than a LinuxWorld editorial.

	29-10-2004 21:50									#45
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It's funny how many people who have posted in this thread claiming themselves as argument winners are people who are not concerned with being objective and who concede nothing in arguments even after they are clearly proved wrong...

	29-10-2004 21:51									#46
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I just tend to agree MikeH

	29-10-2004 21:51									#47
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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 It's funny how many people who have posted in this thread claiming themselves as argument winners are people who are not concerned with being objective and who concede nothing in arguments even after they are clearly proved wrong...

Which comes as NO surprise

	29-10-2004 21:53									#48
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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 It's funny how many people who have posted in this thread claiming themselves as argument winners are people who are not concerned with being objective and who concede nothing in arguments even after they are clearly proved wrong...

I am clearly not like this. I would concede when I'm wrong, but I'm never wrong.

	29-10-2004 21:57									#49
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Whichever side has me on it wins, by definition.

	29-10-2004 21:59									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Asher For example, an independent, established research company is more authoritative than a LinuxWorld editorial.

	29-10-2004 21:59									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Not if the issue in question is about operating systems, given the said research company does most of its reseach is in market trends.

Which would only be valid if what you just said is true, which it patently is not.

	29-10-2004 22:00									#52
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I DanS'ed you.

	29-10-2004 22:04									#53
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See, another victory for my side.

	29-10-2004 22:04									#54
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actually, this poll question is bunk... we don't have "VERBAL" arguments on poly... unless you scream at your monitor as you read the threads.

	29-10-2004 22:05									#55
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quote: unless you scream at your monitor as you read the threads.

No. never.

	29-10-2004 22:40									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Sava actually, this poll question is bunk... we don't have "VERBAL" arguments on poly... unless you scream at your monitor as you read the threads.

Well, I often laugh at my monitor; When I'm syaing ROFL, or use several laughing smileys, you can trust I just loudly laughed in front of my computer

	29-10-2004 23:06									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon If only more debates were conceptual. The only problem with that is that if you start debating that way, people try to use empirical claims to refute it.

I've had a debate like this with Kucidude a few days ago, and he actually argued that a proposition that violates one or more axioms in its system was not contradictory.

	29-10-2004 23:20									#58
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Actually, I had once a purely theoretical discussion with Kuci (as we exposed our ideal socio-economic models), and it was an interesting discussion, even though it didn't change our minds one notch.

	29-10-2004 23:51									#59
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If it doesn't degenerate into a slanging match then the participants just aren't putting enough effort into it.

	29-10-2004 23:52									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Win? How is it measured?

Whoever's arguing against you