29-10-2004 10:09									#1
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"Libertarians routinely win debates but that doesn't translate into support."
- Berzerker

	29-10-2004 10:14									#2
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I don't argue really that often.

When I do, I generally argue against easy picks/dogpiled people, so I don't think I "win" arguments.

	29-10-2004 10:14									#3
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I think in arguments, whoever finally is overcome with a migraine concedes.

	29-10-2004 10:22									#4
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It's not about arguing, it's about putting people in their place.

And the answer is yes.

	29-10-2004 10:23									#5
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Point of the question? Each side usually claims victory. FE, IMO libertarians almost never win debates.

	29-10-2004 10:26									#6
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I generally support the "banana" option - it frequently wins.

	29-10-2004 10:35									#7
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I dogpile, so I always win.

	29-10-2004 10:41									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar I dogpile, so I always win.

When there is no peril in the fight there is no glory in the triumph

	29-10-2004 10:53									#9
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I don't seek glory in the triumph. I like to see people get pwnd, and I will help if I sense weakness.

	29-10-2004 10:56									#10
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Not always. Sometimes Fez posts on a religion thread.

	29-10-2004 10:59									#11
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I want to see Fez get into an argument with MalevolentLight about gay marriage. That would be pretty awesome.

	29-10-2004 11:23									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar I want to see Fez get into an argument with MalevolentLight about gay marriage. That would be pretty awesome.

I think he did a few weeks back. Or at least he did with Ben Kenobi, that was very entertaining.

	29-10-2004 11:26									#13
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Libertarians are know for standing up when typing their arguments, which allows them to pull facts out of their ass.

	29-10-2004 12:20									#14
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I can't ever remember losing an argument.

	29-10-2004 12:24									#15
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Vitamin B is good for improving your memory.

	29-10-2004 12:24									#16
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I can say that my personal record in debates is without blemish.

As a whole, we Commies generally win in everything though.

	29-10-2004 12:25									#17
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I certainly can't remember losing an argument against certain forum members

It's tough for me to say that Libertarians always win forum debates because we base our beliefs on certain things completely outside of mainstream thought, so often times we and our opponents can't even agree on how to approach a subject and it just ends up with both sides banging their heads against a wall.

	29-10-2004 12:30									#18
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Win? How is it measured?

	29-10-2004 12:53									#19
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I think a better measure of victory is the PWNED factor. Anyone can contest a "win", no one can contest a good PWNING.

	29-10-2004 12:54									#20
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by world championships

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	29-10-2004 12:57									#21
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YOUR_WINNER!!1

	29-10-2004 12:59									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Win? How is it measured?

You'll know if it ever happens.

	29-10-2004 13:20									#23
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quote: Libertarians are know for standing up when typing their arguments, which allows them to pull facts out of their ass.

Do you take dumps standing up?

quote: It's tough for me to say that Libertarians always win forum debates because we base our beliefs on certain things completely outside of mainstream thought, so often times we and our opponents can't even agree on how to approach a subject and it just ends up with both sides banging their heads against a wall.

It doesn't help when lefties insist on using definitions taken from Das Kapital instead of Webster

	29-10-2004 13:44									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai You'll know if it ever happens.

"Know" is hardly an objective measurement.

	29-10-2004 13:54									#25
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I always win in forum threads.

Here's how I do it: if I'm proven wrong, I learn something - so I win. If I'm right I win anyway. Easy, isn't it?

	29-10-2004 13:58									#26
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quote: It doesn't help when lefties insist on using definitions taken from Das Kapital instead of Webster

Each is equally useless in any real debate (not that there's many of those on Apolyton - the typical Apolyton debate consists of linking articles which are supposed to prove one side or the other - the fact that the internet contains a practically infinite number of articles on either side of almost any subject renders this process meaningless).

Typical Poly debate:

A: X is so.

B: No it isn't.

A: Yes it is, check out this link.

B: The author of that link is sponsored by/partisan for Republicans/Democrats/Ferret Rapers so it doesn't count.

A: So what, it is still true.

B: You can't trust a Republican/Democrat/Ferret Raper stooge.

A: Well prove it wrong then.

B: See this link.

A: That guy is sponsored by/partisan for Republicans/Democrats/ Ferret Rapers....

etc. etc.


If only more debates were conceptual. The only problem with that is that if you start debating that way, people try to use empirical claims to refute it.

I'm sure the Libertarians believe they win every debate, but believing doesn't make it so.

	29-10-2004 14:01									#27
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I don't think that's a typical Poly debate - do you have a link

	29-10-2004 14:01									#28
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd It's tough for me to say that Libertarians always win forum debates because we base our beliefs on certain things completely outside of mainstream thought, so often times we and our opponents can't even agree on how to approach a subject and it just ends up with both sides banging their heads against a wall.

This is exactly how I feel the few times I argue with a Lib

	29-10-2004 14:03									#29
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quote: It's tough for me to say that Libertarians always win forum debates because we base our beliefs on certain things completely outside of mainstream thought, so often times we and our opponents can't even agree on how to approach a subject and it just ends up with both sides banging their heads against a wall.

That's because Libertarians are immoral, so you can't appeal to their better nature.

	29-10-2004 14:09									#30
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Who cares about winning? I'm always right which is all that matters.