12-07-2005 02:59									#151
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you asked for it. I'll spoil more.

Get this: your character becomes a jedi!! can you believe it. A jedi!!

actually to be more tecnically accurate, he become a force user. (that actually might be a minor spoiler )

	12-07-2005 03:00									#152
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and there is a bad guy you have to kill at the end of the game to complete it. OMG!!

	12-07-2005 03:59									#153
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And the bad guy is a force user as well!

	12-07-2005 14:09									#154
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Darn.....i'll never get KOTOR2 now

	12-07-2005 14:44									#155
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Oh please, (played KOTOR 1 and 2 to stay on topic )

My point is, puh-friggin-leeeze. The Jedi order was so arrogant and corrupt that the Sith was the only salvation toward having the universe seeing both sides of the Force. As Palpatine wisely said, "to understand the great mystery, one must understand ALL its aspect..."

The Jedi only gives the 'light side' point of view. Force heal, Knight shield. Ohhh, please. Give me Force Lightning and Force choke anyday. When the jedi influence another person to say what they want to hear, isn't THAT an obvious influence of the Force?


Puh-leeze, the Jedi order is so hypocritical its disgusting. The Sith are faar more honest than the jedi were/are. And play KOTOR 1 and 2, and you'll realize the truth in the Sith teachings...

	12-07-2005 14:49									#156
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yeah but the sith women aren't attractive.

	12-07-2005 18:00									#157
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quote: Originally posted by Frankychan My point is, puh-friggin-leeeze. The Jedi order was so arrogant and corrupt that the Sith was the only salvation toward having the universe seeing both sides of the Force. As Palpatine wisely said, "to understand the great mystery, one must understand ALL its aspect..."

So to 'restore the balance', you tip it from one dangerous extreme to another? puh-leeze!

There's wisdom in that particular thing Palpatine said about taking a 'broader view', but he hardly practises what he preaches there. Instead of focusing on the broader view, he instead focuses on the opposite half to the Jedi.

The way I see it, he said all that only to make the ways of the Sith seem more palatable to the increasingly conflicted Anakin Skywalker.

quote: The Jedi only gives the 'light side' point of view. Force heal, Knight shield. Ohhh, please. Give me Force Lightning and Force choke anyday. When the jedi influence another person to say what they want to hear, isn't THAT an obvious influence of the Force?

Just as the Jedi only give the 'light side' point of view, the Sith give only the 'dark side' point of view. Each side is only half of the 'broader view'.

quote: Puh-leeze, the Jedi order is so hypocritical its disgusting. The Sith are faar more honest than the jedi were/are. And play KOTOR 1 and 2, and you'll realize the truth in the Sith teachings...

OK, I concede that the Jedi of the Clone War era (and the KOTOR era) were arrogant, complacent, hypocritical and stodgy. But I'd hardly believe Palpatine to be the poster child for honesty either, though he is clearly the quintessential Sith Lord.

	12-07-2005 23:19									#158
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident yeah but the sith women aren't attractive.

And they are likely to kill you in your sleep.

	14-07-2005 14:37									#159
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident yeah but the sith women aren't attractive. Originally posted by DrSpike And they are likely to kill you in your sleep.

The one i met in KOTOR seemed nice enough? If she hadn't insisted on drinking all night and passed out i would have scored

Still i disagree with the pro-sith/darkside sympathisers here, your reasonings are sounding like the stuff neo-cons come out with all the time - fataly flawed i'm afriad.

Darkside/Sith = evil at the base level(enslaving wookies/destroying Tarris?(911?)/using war to further their gains)

Lightside/Rebels = good. freedom for all sentient beings/true democratic rule(not rule by fear/terror etc)/trying to bring peace to the galaxy.

Its prety cut and dry imho

	14-07-2005 22:57									#160
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor The one i met in KOTOR seemed nice enough? If she hadn't insisted on drinking all night and passed out i would have scored

Just as well she passed out - she planned to slit your throat while you slept and steal your items.

	15-07-2005 15:21									#161
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Just as well she passed out - she planned to slit your throat while you slept and steal your items.

yeah maybe it was a lucky escape, the darkside can do bad things to a persons character, she could have just lied through her teeth at me, pretending to be something she isn't; and then finished me off later

Never trust a neo-sith i think is a good moto

As for my current game - i've really gone with the scoundrel role-play part this time around, he's a carousing, wench stealing, pazak king. I have to watch my darkside though - i've picked up a few by going for money over honour choices. I'm not likeing the grey/dark clouds that are behind my characters picture screen...........its a slippery slope the dark side.

	15-07-2005 22:45									#162
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Likeable scoundrels are quite weak in the system though - you are better off being whiter than white and using light side force powers or being blacker than black and using dark side powers.

	16-07-2005 01:56									#163
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yeah but the game is easy enough as it is.

I don't recommend neutral characters in Kotor 2 however. This is a minor spoiler so don't continue reading if you don't want it. You might not ever get your prestige class if you are neutral. You need to be about 75% light or dark to get it.

	16-07-2005 13:49									#164
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Well i'm much closer to the dark side at the momment - but i'm not happy to make obvious evil choices in the game(although i did kill missions brother for being an all around a**hole - shes better off without him). So i'll see how it pans out. As with many games i don't mind a technical handicap a game gives me if i can role-play around it. I might not end up with an uber character in KOTOR - but as Dis said, the game is kind of a walkthrough, its strength imho being the abiltiy to pull you into its star wars universe, which it does very well
I'm pwning the poor pazak player in the hunting lodge - i've won about 3000 credits out of him so far.

HK must be eveyones fav character right? I'm still laughing at his dialogue - they did an excellent job with him (for Bioware)

	16-07-2005 14:09									#165
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Are you playing on hard? That makes it a little tougher, though not quite enough.

	16-07-2005 14:35									#166
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hmm not sure, but probably - i've gotten into the habit of turning my console games onto 'hard' difficulty setting. Still it usualy just makes the 'boss' badies that much harder to defeat i find, which can sometimes be frustrating?
I do/have had all my chars killed in this game - so i'm not complaining that its that easy all the time

	18-07-2005 12:32									#167
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor Well i'm much closer to the dark side at the momment - but i'm not happy to make obvious evil choices in the game(although i did kill missions brother for being an all around a**hole - shes better off without him). So i'll see how it pans out. As with many games i don't mind a technical handicap a game gives me if i can role-play around it. I might not end up with an uber character in KOTOR - but as Dis said, the game is kind of a walkthrough, its strength imho being the abiltiy to pull you into its star wars universe, which it does very well I'm pwning the poor pazak player in the hunting lodge - i've won about 3000 credits out of him so far. HK must be eveyones fav character right? I'm still laughing at his dialogue - they did an excellent job with him (for Bioware)

HK is the man...erm...droid. In both K1 and K2. Although in K2 he's probably a minor character compared to Kreia and the rest.

Just get HK's definition of "love" and everything will fall in to place.

	21-07-2005 02:21									#168
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both games are very easy. The only challenge comes with Bendak Starkiller (though grenades work well on him) and the 2 boss battles at the end of each game (though there are tricks that work with them as well)

	21-07-2005 02:22									#169
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quote: Originally posted by Frankychan HK is the man...erm...droid. In both K1 and K2. Although in K2 he's probably a minor character compared to Kreia and the rest. Just get HK's definition of "love" and everything will fall in to place.

did you get the HK pacifier chip? Hilarious. too bad you can't leave it in and have 2 sets of full dialogue.

	21-07-2005 02:58									#170
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quote: Originally posted by Dis both games are very easy. The only challenge comes with Bendak Starkiller (though grenades work well on him) and the 2 boss battles at the end of each game (though there are tricks that work with them as well)

Bendak is a wuss.

	21-07-2005 03:15									#171
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not if you are a level 2 scoundrel.

the problem with the first game is I tend to "save up" those levels for Jedi levels. Though I usually bring my character up to level 4 or so so I can take out Bendak without too much trouble.

	21-07-2005 22:55									#172
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They should nerf saving up levels for jedi levels.

	22-07-2005 16:58									#173
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No way! Its the only way to get enough Jedi levels!

	22-07-2005 23:10									#174
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Abuser.

	23-07-2005 09:04									#175
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I got plenty of levels with Jedi levels only post-whatever point i got Jedi.

In fact, I played non-jedi characters relatively often ... scouts with good minelaying capability (KOTOR2 especially) are GREAT characters, sometimes getting out of spots Jedi can't ...

	23-07-2005 13:38									#176
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I rarely used mines in Kotor2. Except in certain battles where you can't use your jedi character (her name starts with an M).

In Kotor 1 I used to use them on that gamorran boss in the sewers. And maybe a couple other places in the early game.

grenades are more useful in the first game as well. In the second game you don't need them much (though ion greandes are useful on the pegasus)

	23-07-2005 14:44									#177
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Grenades actually are really powerful when you use the right ones for the fight. If the difficulty was turned up a bit they would be very popular I think.

Mines are a bit tedious.

	26-07-2005 14:18									#178
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Bendak is a wuss.

I had to leave him - after 3 failed atempts Still i knew he would get it in the end
I've kept a save before leaving Tarris, so i can have another go at some point. He was the only 'loose-end' i hadn't chased up on Tarris.

Whats peoples favourite planet landing/taking off shot. I really like Tatooine - the desertscape and dust clouds conjure a good memmory of the first(real first) film

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For Bendak just run around him and abuse grenades.