03-11-2004 11:00									#361
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Fox calls Alaska. 269-?

	03-11-2004 11:01									#362
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Bush is gaining ground in New Mexico and he's been a clear winner in Ohio and Alaska for a while. Bush wins! Four more years!

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Democrates? True but it looks like Republicans can't win in New England, the Pacific coast other then Alaska, or in the p;d industrial heartland except Ohio.

Didn't Bush do fairly well in California? It's not like Kerry crushed bush there.

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MSNBC just called Ohio and Alaska for Bush.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6291779/?GT1=5809

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It probably will end 274-264
Bush will get alaska ohio and NM
might be very close in a couple other states but probalby wont bother to recount...

	03-11-2004 11:04									#366
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber Didn't Bush do fairly well in California? It's not like Kerry crushed bush there.

Yes He is doing a lot better than expected. He has about 47% of the vote so far.

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quote: Looks like Zell was right. A National Party No More indeed.

Like Oerdin said, it applies to the Republicans as well who can't carry New England, Mid-Atlantic, or the West.

	03-11-2004 11:04									#368
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so msnbc is the first to actually call the presidency..

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The best Kerry can do now is get a tie

	03-11-2004 11:06									#370
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This is what it boils down to, and Jeff Greenfield is making the exact same point on TV right now:

Religion.

Religion, religion, religion. ****ing religion.

In the year 2004. I just don't get it. I don't get it at all.

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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Who will the Dems blame the loss this time on?

I believe the candidate.

	03-11-2004 11:07									#372
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Bush Wins. Other networks are calling the election

	03-11-2004 11:07									#373
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I wonder how much Kerry being a Catholic hurt him. I know there are some places where they won't even think of voting a Catholic in.

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quote: Democrates? True but it looks like Republicans can't win in New England, the Pacific coast other then Alaska, or in the p;d industrial heartland except Ohio.

Indiana is a part of that industrial heartland, and Michigan/Wisconsin, very much in play.

I think it's Kerry who needs to take a hard look. They went from beating Bush in the popular vote, to Bush claiming a plurality of the votes cast in the US.

What this means, is that Bush has the mandate the Democrats denied him previously. He has the mandate of the people in the US.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Looks like Zell was right. A National Party No More indeed. Like Oerdin said, it applies to the Republicans as well who can't carry New England, Mid-Atlantic, or the West.

Are we watching the same election? You know the one where the Republicans gained in the House, Senate, number of Governors, likely retained the White House, and will appoint at least one SCOTUS Justice.

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So alaska wants an oil rig I guess.

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Indiana is a part of that industrial heartland, and Michigan/Wisconsin, very much in play. I think it's Kerry who needs to take a hard look. They went from beating Bush in the popular vote, to Bush claiming a plurality of the votes cast in the US. What this means, is that Bush has the mandate the Democrats denied him previously. He has the mandate of the people in the US.

It looks like it won't just be a plurality. It will be a solid majority.

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Bush has taken a small lead in Iowa too now.

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DD: Yes, you claimed Democrates were no longer a national party based upon two elections in four years. That is incorrect and that both parties have areas they can't win.

	03-11-2004 11:15									#381
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John Thune is also gonna take Daschles Job. Thats a huge blow


Awesome........

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Thune

	03-11-2004 11:15									#383
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CNN formally called both the Senate and House for the GOP.

	03-11-2004 11:16									#385
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kerry may get my state.

He has promised not to bring nuclear waste here, so I suspect he will get my state. Not that it matters. He lost either way. Even if he gets 269 he has no chance.

	03-11-2004 11:16									#386
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51% is hardly enough to claim a 'mandate'. That means 49% didn't want you there.

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It seems the youth vote heavily favors Democrates but as always the young people were to lazy to vote. Only about 10% of the electerate were young people which was the same in 2000. The youth vote has the lowest turn out of any group.

	03-11-2004 11:19									#388
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CNN finally called New Hampshire for Kerry.

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quote: Are we watching the same election?

Apparently not. For some reason you think Bush took anything in the NorthEast, Mid-Atlantic, or the Pacific Coast. The Republicans are just as much a national party as the Democrats are. That is shown by the small electoral seperation between the two.

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3 or 4 of my freinds who are solidly against Bush didn't vote (they were here in Maryland, in Texas, and in South Carolina)

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