03-11-2004 13:41									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Boshko Time to hit the vodka HARD tonight. My god have mercy on my sorry excuse for a country.

Don't be sorry. This is democracy.
If things are close, things get exiting.

	03-11-2004 13:42									#32
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy Hey, americans, go out of your door and tell Kerry to give it up. The guy is a maniac. This really disturbs me. Gore had a point 4 years ago. Kerry is a nutscase. He's 144000 votes behind, what is he thinking?

Gore won the popular vote and still lost.

	03-11-2004 13:43									#33
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And Kerry hasn't won the popular vote. Your point?

	03-11-2004 13:43									#34
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All I can say is that I hope Kerry fights this one tooth and nail until the end, unlike Gore did.

	03-11-2004 13:43									#35
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George W. Bush (REP)*      55,616,129   51% 269 
John F. Kerry (DEM)        51,839,291   48% 211 
Ralph Nader (IND)             377,514    0%   0 

	03-11-2004 13:45									#36
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I think Nader is going to pull it off

	03-11-2004 13:46									#37
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy Don't be sorry. This is democracy. If things are close, things get exiting.

Exactly, Democracy gives countries the government they deserve. I am very afraid for my country.

Hence the vodka.



Hmmm, think I have a bit of left-over whiskey and taquila too...

	03-11-2004 13:46									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar And Kerry hasn't won the popular vote. Your point?

That he could win the electoral vote without winning the popular vote. It's not that difficult to figure this one out.

Though I guess it's too early for you.

	03-11-2004 13:46									#39
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider All I can say is that I hope Kerry fights this one tooth and nail until the end, unlike Gore did.

How? The Ohio and Florida margins are too big.

	03-11-2004 13:46									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Boshko Hmmm, think I have a bit of left-over whiskey and taquila too...

Isn't it a bit early to drink in RoK?

	03-11-2004 13:47									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger That he could win the electoral vote without winning the popular vote. It's not that difficult to figure this one out. Though I guess it's too early for you.

Fair enough, but that had nothing to do with the post you quoted.

	03-11-2004 13:47									#42
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George W. Bush (REP)*      55,903,434   51% 249 
John F. Kerry (DEM)        51,111,898   48% 242 
Ralph Nader (IND)             379,422    1%   0 

	03-11-2004 13:47									#43
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Any good sites for world reactions so far if any

	03-11-2004 13:47									#44
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Nader gets a percent! w00t!

	03-11-2004 13:48									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Isn't it a bit early to drink in RoK?

Well its almost 6 now, I get off from work at 7:30, then I have to go shopping for some squid to make pancakes with. THEN the vodka.

Oh well, at least northern Maine held the line against Bush and New Hampshire flopped.

	03-11-2004 13:48									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Boshko How? The Ohio and Florida margins are too big.

It's all about the Provisional Ballots. They're like Super Hanging Chads.

	03-11-2004 13:49									#47
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quote: Originally posted by joncha It's all about the Provisional Ballots. They're like Super Hanging Chads.

I think that Bush is ahead by about 160,000 in Ohio and there's about 250,000 provisional ballots, unless the vast majority are valid and democratic its hopeless.

	03-11-2004 13:49									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Boshko How? The Ohio and Florida margins are too big.

There are 300,000 uncounted provisional ballots, and some have suggested there may even be up to 600,000. It is believed that these will heavily break with the Dems. A large number of them are minorities who were directed to the wrong voting precinct by Repug dirty tricks.

	03-11-2004 13:51									#49
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Official results will not be available from Ohio and Iowa and now, apparently, New Mexico. That leaves both candidates short of 270 Electoral Votes.

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quote: Originally posted by monkspider There are 300,000 uncounted provisional ballots, and some have suggested there may even be up to 600,000. It is believed that these will heavily break with the Dems. A large number of them are minorities who were directed to the wrong voting precinct by Repug dirty tricks.

I would ask you for a source, but there's no point

	03-11-2004 13:52									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger That he could win the electoral vote without winning the popular vote. It's not that difficult to figure this one out. Though I guess it's too early for you.

Man, it must be late for you!
Gore/Bush:
- Gore won popular vote
- Gore and Bush were 500-something votes seperated in Florida.
GORE HAD A POINT!

Kerry/Bush:
- Bush wins popular vote
- Bush leads by 144.000 in Ohio
KERRY HAS NO POINT AT ALL!

I never felt like Gore was a loser. He was right, if things are that close recounts are necessary.
But Kerry is a sore loser. In no way he's going to level those 144.000 votes he is behind. In NO WAY!

And he's not even backed by winning the popular vote, like Gore.

	03-11-2004 13:55									#52
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider There are 300,000 uncounted provisional ballots, and some have suggested there may even be up to 600,000. It is believed that these will heavily break with the Dems. A large number of them are minorities who were directed to the wrong voting precinct by Repug dirty tricks.

Pherhaps these 300.000 wil be for Kerry by 60%, which would be a HUGE WIN for Kerry, compared to the rest of the state.
But even THEN Bush will win.

But one can only dream, people kept on hoping that Florida would go to Kerry, since Palm Beach and Miami Dade weren't counted yet. But when the numbers of those counties came in, nothing substantial happened.

Among the 300.000 - 600.000 yet to be counted Ohio votes there will be most obviously between the 40 and 60 % for both candidates. (which is a VERY wide range, concidering the rest of the results)

	03-11-2004 13:56									#53
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Nevada just went to bush...with ohio, it's game over...

	03-11-2004 13:56									#54
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cmon fox news, call NEV for bush, theres 100% reporting, bush is up by 20,000 votes.

call the electon for bush, i dare you.

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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia cmon fox news, call NEV for bush, theres 100% reporting, bush is up by 20,000 votes. call the electon for bush, i dare you.

	03-11-2004 13:57									#56
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I think the point UR is making is that in the US system, who wins the popular vote doesn't matter.

In theory, if the uncounted votes give Kerry ohio then he's the president regardless of the popular vote.

	03-11-2004 13:57									#57
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CNN has projected Nevada for Bush.

	03-11-2004 13:57									#58
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quote: Originally posted by joncha Official results will not be available from Ohio and Iowa and now, apparently, New Mexico. That leaves both candidates short of 270 Electoral Votes.

The talking heads on TV are suggesting Nevada might go this route too.

	03-11-2004 13:57									#59
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Everyone:

My home state appears to have rejected Sen. Tom Daschle, D-S.D., by a few thousand votes. Assuming Kerry loses as well, that's almost as big a black eye as failing to regain the White House for the Democrats.

I did my civic duty and voted a split ticket. It appears I voted with the majority in only one of three national races. But, hey, I did better with state- and local-level issues. Heh. Like that's going to be of any comfort to *former* Sen. Daschle.

Hmm. The terrorists really did win on Sept. 11, 2001. We just don't know it yet. They've divided the West against itself. The right-wingers in America and the lefties in Europe are pouring more fuel on the fire. I do believe I will live to see the destruction of the United States of America — as well as other Western nations — in my lifetime. Perhaps not the *physical* annhilation thereof, but of the ideas upon which they were founded.

Ah, hell. It's late. Just got back from 10.25 hours at the office. Waxing a bit philosophical at the time of the morning probably isn't the brightest thing I should be doing. Such is life.

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	03-11-2004 13:58									#60
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There are currently 3 states too close to call, and Ohio is not one of them.
- New Mexico (Bush leads by 1777 votes)
- Iowa (Bush leads by 14044 votes)
- Wisconsin (Kerry leads by 14530 votes)