04-01-2005 18:24									#151
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The Celts are currently at war with the Goths, and with the Macedonians. The Goths are winning this war. I think they will be a far greater danger, than the Celts. Either way, I agree we should be planning for a war to the north.

We are currently making 3 Legions (or 4 Heavy Cavalries) worth of cash each turn. This means, that having Barracks in vital points should allow us to muster a quick and powerful defense on the very turn it's needed. This is what Emperor Jon C Nunn was referring to - we don't need to keep forces where they are not used. I would add, that rushing Barracks seems a good thing to do, especially since they cost very little gold with a 1-shield prebuild. If you imagine 6 Legions, or 8 Cavalries greeting an attacker, with more coming along, this seems like a good investment.

	04-01-2005 18:27									#152
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I agree with you totally but we must be thinking ahead not just waiting for an attack so lets get building troops troops and more troops the more the better

	04-01-2005 18:27									#153
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AND BARRACKS TOO

	04-01-2005 20:57									#154
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We should prepare a force to invade the celts if they are loosing the war with the gods

	05-01-2005 01:53									#155
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I agree with the need to rush barracks, and quite a few cities did receive them during my adminisration, I needed a few more turns to finish this since many of the cities were busy normal building workers. [Ordered by a previous Emperor and left in place]

All Legionary IIIs that were used as police in Italy were normal built, not rushed.

Garrision units were however rushed in some of the poorest shield-wise cities in Italy.

	05-01-2005 02:42									#156
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Here Here ChrisiusMaximus

Lets take an intermission, get our ideasand directions ironed out
and then get back to taking over...

Polls?

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	05-01-2005 03:30									#157
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quote: Originally posted by ormuzd We should prepare a force to invade the celts if they are loosing the war with the gods

It appeared to me to be more of a stalemate between the two than either side having a major advantage.

I do note that the Celts are likely to lose their eastern most cities to the eastern most barb tribe in the near future, but that tribe may turn on the Gauls later.

	10-01-2005 20:48									#158
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Noted that we finally have a MGL for building our FP!

Well, now we need to find a place to put it. Will check the state of the empire this evening to see how much more cities in Spain we have now and how large the Balkin cities have grown.

	11-01-2005 05:18									#159
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quote: Originally posted by ChrisiusMaximus all this discussion about what we should have done is fine but it changes nothing We need to look to the imediate future !! I think the next few emporers need to follow a simple path, build as many troops as possible with the enhanced income we now have. Complete the task of clearing and settling Spain and then attack the Celts.

quote: Originally posted by joncnunn Noted that we finally have a MGL for building our FP! Well, now we need to find a place to put it. Will check the state of the empire this evening to see how much more cities in Spain we have now and how large the Balkin cities have grown.

Indeed.


Polls coming shortly. Senators.

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	11-01-2005 05:28									#160
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Good Good


the Senate need to share their thoughts on the issues at hand of course

	11-01-2005 05:51									#161
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I know I initally advocated Russicide, but my look of the turn indicates that "Stollen Wine" is a much better location on this difficulty level.

Russicide is at the max allowed corruption level and the closest cities are 4 tiles away => Adjoining cities won't benfit from the distance reduced corruption.

Stolen Wine is 3 tiles away from 2 current city locations. Both of which alaready have Court Houses. One is 70% corrupt (just below max) and the other is 50% corrupt. It will also bring strong cultural influence upon the Celtic city of Dectia.

If chosen, new emperor should rush the Barracks this turn. (A good idea anyway.) Following compeltion, the improvements adding cultural should also be rushed here to complete the culture bomb.

Note that this will move up the date the invasion of the Celts should take place (following kicking the Carthigans out of Spain)

Also note that after we take 3 more cities from Carthage in Spain, they may be willing to give up the rest of them there. (Ensure they don't have a settler in Spain in that case before signing.)

	11-01-2005 06:08									#162
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well then what are we waiting ..for?

let us go forth!

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	12-01-2005 15:58									#163
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When settling new cities near the barbarians, we should remember that we have Temples everywhere. Remote colonies, like Cavillonum (Scythian) can be taken without a fight, by surrounding them with our culture. This is true for the Celts, the Goths, and the Scythians alike (look at the culture graph...). Carthage and Macedonia will probably be more resistant to flips.

We have cash for that, so we should keep rushing units. Just remember, that it's best used in cities with low production.

Stolen Wine looks like a fine location for our FP. Even if Decetia doesn't flip, we'll be conquering it sooner or later.

The islands look nice, but none are 1-tiled, so a city there would be in danger. I don't think that's a good idea.

Considering our "automatic" border expansions, and the fact that we need land, here are some proposed city sites. They assume border expansions, count on added Walls defense, and the conquest/flipping of some neighbouring barbarians.

• Lilibeo 774 (Spain)
  
• Brundisium 7888 (Spain)
  
• Brundisium 7774 (Spain)
  
• Seleucia 9999 (Scythia)
  
• Silk Meadow 777 (Scythia)
  
• Lost Dreams 333 (Greece)
  
• Optima Farma 22 (Greece)
  
• Optima Farma 633 (Greece)

	13-01-2005 01:13									#164
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Next Emperor can definately rush Aquaducts everywhere. I think the cities stuck at size 12 are now plenty to function as Citizen pumps.

	13-01-2005 01:46									#165
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quote: Originally posted by joncnunn Also note that after we take 3 more cities from Carthage in Spain, they may be willing to give up the rest of them there. (Ensure they don't have a settler in Spain in that case before signing.)

I never heard of this?

maybe I have not played enough

	13-01-2005 23:28									#166
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I've been checking how much they'd be willing to give for peace, and extrapolating.

There are 4 ways to aquire a city with the negioations:

1. Demand a city as tribute. (Only works with a very strong army and even then the city usally needs to be tiny.) I successfuly did this in my current SP game.

2. 20 turn peace deal can include a side surrending cities. (Current case with this game)

3. Alliance can include a side surrending cities. (Exploitation adviable on turn 1 in the SP mode of this conquest. [Discover Celts on turn 1, establish embassy, Celts will surrender Marasellis in exchange for the prviliage of fighting Carthage])

4. MPP can include a side surrending cities. (Exploitation adviable on turn 1 in the SP mode of Naoleanic. In fact you can win the game that same turn with this exploitation.)

	14-01-2005 08:19									#167
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Make it so Oh Great and fearless leader

	14-01-2005 09:49									#168
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Modo, I have to ask. Where do you keep getting this 9% area thing? A land area win is 20%, 50% population. (And I expect us to need much more than 20% land to hit 50% population, but that's just a guess.) Check F8...

	14-01-2005 13:52									#169
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quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 Modo, I have to ask. Where do you keep getting this 9% area thing? A land area win is 20%, 50% population. (And I expect us to need much more than 20% land to hit 50% population, but that's just a guess.) Check F8...

You are right. I made a mistake. Sorry.

	14-01-2005 20:24									#170
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Actually, building Aquaducts in size 6 cities to let them grow should be sufficent. There's also a couple of cities we might want to consider placing a Hospital on after that dye is road connected as well.

I was at 52% of the population when I hit 20% land area in my own game.

quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 Modo, I have to ask. Where do you keep getting this 9% area thing? A land area win is 20%, 50% population. (And I expect us to need much more than 20% land to hit 50% population, but that's just a guess.) Check F8...

	15-01-2005 01:41									#171
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Shame we couldnt have a big old all land game..kinda like simulating a continental battle

But thats another desire of my Political acreer


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	15-01-2005 03:53									#172
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Options for that:

Fall of Rome. (Play any normally playable civ except the Celts)

Also playing Middle Ages as the Abus or Turks is effectively all land as well.

Meso-America (any one) Because it takes so darn long to build a naval unit at all.

quote: Originally posted by Grandpa Troll Shame we couldnt have a big old all land game..kinda like simulating a continental battle But thats another desire of my Political acreer Senatorial Grampius Geezerius

	15-01-2005 04:05									#173
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for sharing your knowledge..perhaps for a small purse of shekels I could be swayed to support any one of your initiatives on the floor for vote


ok...I support the wisdom of juncnunn and ask that you all do as well

c'mon..ya know da drill..monkey see monkey dooo

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	22-01-2005 16:19									#174
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Comments after the glorious reign of Emperor Betacles.

As the Empire is in a very good shape, there are mostly minor things in the domestic department. Only the first issue is very important.

• A few core cities can be micromanaged, to improve Legion, and Heavy Cavalry production. A Legion needs 23 uncorrupted shields, a Heavy Cavalry needs 15 uncorrupted shields. Building those units in 2, instead of 3, or in 3, instead of 4 turns will provide Rome with a stable, long-term increase in military output.
  
• And Infirmary in Rome would allow the city to grow. There are many unused tiles around our capital. That is uncorrupted production, and trade we are losing. Also, this would help Ancona, by providing it with additional Hills, and Mountains to work in the future.
  
• Massilia, and Lugdunum should both receive Harbors. This will free land tiles around Stolen Wine, so our Forbidden Palace city can grow.
  
• Cities near the Alps (Segusio, Conathon, Mediolanum) need more Irrigation around them, so they can work all those Hills and Mountains. An Aqueduct in Mediolanum is long overdue.
  
• We need more Workers to improve the claimed terrain. Perhaps not only corrupt cities should provide them.
  
• The cities of Malaca, and Brundisium will profit from Courthouses.

	22-01-2005 20:44									#175
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We should honor your wisdom Modo by building a monument to that insight..

doth this please the Senator Supremius Modeyius?

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	22-01-2005 20:49									#176
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I'd rather you find those Nubian dancers Paddy talked about so much.

	22-01-2005 21:07									#177
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 I'd rather you find those Nubian dancers Paddy talked about so much.

Mighty Senator Modo..

for services rendered beyond our perception and conceptual abilities

as head of our entertainment service for the Senatorial "Relief fund"

I present Mabel our finest Nubian Princess



dont thank me thank Paddy

	23-01-2005 01:10									#178
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*ewwwwww*

	23-01-2005 06:01									#179
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I second snoopy's 'ewwwwww'. That may put me right off this game. Let's try something a bit different. How about this Nubian dancer....

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	23-01-2005 06:09									#180
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much better...I was realy begging to worry