05-11-2004 05:50									#1
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Okay, let's stop whining. Let's focus on how we can turn things around.

1. Our democratic leaders need to get together and start grooming someone the Presidential race not now but right now!

2. We need to stop letting the republicans focus on issues that we support that average american may not and start putting it on issues that we can show the average american we are in his corner. Most americans are not gay but what about that war or what about unemployment.

Does anyone else have any ideas?

	05-11-2004 05:50									#2
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Revolution.

	05-11-2004 05:52									#3
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support Bush

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Nominate a real candidate... one that has a chance to actually win

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Suicide.

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quote: 2. We need to stop letting the republicans focus on issues that we support that average american may not and start putting it on issues that we can show the average american we are in his corner. Most americans are not gay but what about that war or what about unemployment.

Didn't Kerry use every opportunity to highlight those things? He must have repeated the Herbert Hoover line every 5th sentence. The other 4 sentences he used to say how bad it was going over in Iraq.

	05-11-2004 06:12									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident support Bush

Kerry does. Um here's a suggestion. Stop being the other Republicans.

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stop sucking so much

	05-11-2004 06:14									#9
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Get a presidential candidate that actually has a platform with more than "Hey, I'm not republican" in it.

	05-11-2004 06:14									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Kerry does. Um here's a suggestion. Stop being the other Republicans.

I voted democart this time around. Honest.

But it's worthless to keep fighting. We lost.

It's better to put our hope that the president can do a good job the next 4 years and not ruin this country.

I support G.W. Bush!

	05-11-2004 06:15									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident It's better to put our hope that the president can do a good job the next 4 years and not ruin this country. I support G.W. Bush!

Screw that. We don't need that kind of good job. It's no good for us.

	05-11-2004 06:17									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Get a presidential candidate that actually has a platform with more than "Hey, I'm not republican" in it.

BAM!

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Why is it there is so much despair? Look on the bright side were the tables reversed and Kerry was elected I would have material aplenty for the next 4 years. Just look at all the plentiful *****ing and moaning left to do.

So stop with the hang dog looks and get back up on your high horses and start *****ing like the good 'poly trolls you are.

	05-11-2004 06:24									#14
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The Republicans win because they have formed a electoral coalition of the rich (by offering them tax cuts) and the poor (who's lot would be improved by voting democrat but are distracted by MORAL/VALUE issues)

The Democrats are not going to win over the rich and so you have to concentrate on breaking the Republicans trump card of values.

The way I see it, is that the democrats have three ways of doing this

APPEAL TO THOSE VALUES
Say your going to ban abortion, provide free access to guns, oppose gay marriage.
This, obviously, isnt feasable for moral (democrats believe the opposite of these) and electoral (lose the women/gays/liberals) reasons.

CHANGE THOSE VALUES
Through presuasion/argument

PRESENT THOSE WHO VOTE ON REPUBLICAN VALUES WITH SOMETHING MORE IMPORTANT TO VOTE ON
These could be policies (Work out what is more important to a gun owner than the right to own a gun and offer them that) of some other values that trump the values offered by the Republicans



Perhaps someone has some thought on these, wants to expand the list or want to tell me that Im way off.

These are just the things I thought up last night

	05-11-2004 06:25									#15
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HA, excellent

EDIT: Ogie that is

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quote: are distracted by MORAL/VALUE issues

quote: isnt feasable for moral

Youa re a confused little elephant. So how does it work, you are against morals for moral reasons?

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Assassination.

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I just meant that democrat party can't fundamentally change their moral stances just to get elected - it would lose them votes and...well, you can't just change your beliefs unless you change your mind.

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*stretch* Yawwwwn....

Just want to get a head start on 2008...

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quote: Originally posted by Zulu Elephant The Democrats are not going to win over the rich and so you have to concentrate on breaking the Republicans trump card of values.

They need to just figure out what the hell they believe and stick with it. If they don't get elected **** it. They are losing respect for themselves.

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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious They need to just figure out what the hell they believe and stick with it. If they don't get elected **** it. They are losing respect for themselves.

But thats not how elections work - parties keep their world-view (or it changes slowly over time) but constantly have to find new ways to appeal to the electorate

	05-11-2004 06:43									#22
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A tip for how Democrats can gain some of the moral values voters rather than simply writing them moronically off as "guys who hate or are scared of gays, who think blacks aren't as smart as whites, or who think hispanics really shouldn't be allowed in th country:" http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=glance&s=books

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quote: Originally posted by Zulu Elephant But thats not how elections work - parties keep their world-view (or it changes slowly over time) but constantly have to find new ways to appeal to the electorate

I don't think it works. Maybe it's better to just lose and election and let the other guys screw up. People will want an alternative the next time around and if you have stuck to what you believe they will respect you.

	05-11-2004 06:49									#24
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It is of low character to wish harm or ill upon a country so "your guy" can be elected next term.

These are real people we are talking about. Especially with regards to Iraq where people are actually dying.

Do you not care about these deaths?:

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident It is of low character to wish harm or ill upon a country so "your guy" can be elected next term. These are real people we are talking about. Especially with regards to Iraq where people are actually dying. Do you not care about these deaths?:

If they go over there to kill they deserve to die. I hate what America stands for and I hate most Americans. They are my enemy.

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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Youa re a confused little elephant. So how does it work, you are against morals for moral reasons?

I'm tthinking correctly that there are a lot of moral issues that we democrats believe in that republicans don't. There are also immoral issues that the Republicans believe in that democrats don't. Let's focus on these issues. Let's take it to the republicans and reveal the Republican party for what it really is so that the other 51% of the population can wake up.

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For example, I don't see the morality in 11,000 dead in Iraq.

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident It is of low character to wish harm or ill upon a country so "your guy" can be elected next term. These are real people we are talking about. Especially with regards to Iraq where people are actually dying. Do you not care about these deaths?:

I'm not going to wish anyone dead to prove a point. I hate people dying but I'll be damned if I did'nt warn you. So hell yeah, I'm going to say "I told you so!!!"

	05-11-2004 07:04									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident It is of low character to wish harm or ill upon a country so "your guy" can be elected next term. These are real people we are talking about. Especially with regards to Iraq where people are actually dying. Do you not care about these deaths?:

I doubt Michael Moore does.

	05-11-2004 07:07									#30
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MAybe if Dems were more conservative, like give up on all that socialism crap