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In the next Newsweek, a 50,000 word report details the behind-the-scenes actions/failures of Kerry and co.

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NEWSWEEK ELECTION ISSUE: 'How He Did It'

Kerry Laments: 'I Can't Believe I'm Losing to This Idiot'

Carville Leads Clintonistas' Coups, Implores Cahill to Step Aside or He'll 'Tell The Truth' About Campaign Woes On NBC's 'Meet The Press'

Daughter Alexandra Pleads to Kerry After Locking in Nomination: 'Will You Please Appreciate This Moment for 10 Seconds?'



NEW YORK, Nov. 4 /PRNewswire/ -- When President Bush's poll numbers surged in April after a press conference where his performance was derided by the press and the chattering classes, Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry was baffled, writes Newsweek Assistant Managing Editor Evan Thomas in an exclusive report in Newsweek's special election issue. "He said with a sigh to one top staffer, 'I can't believe I'm losing to this idiot.'"

The November 15 issue "How He Did It" (on newsstands Thursday, November 4) includes an exclusive behind-the-scenes account of the entire presidential campaign reported by a separate Newsweek Special Project team that worked for more than a year on the extraordinary campaign. Highlights from the report:

The Clintonista "Coups." At several critical junctures Kerry's campaign (and the candidate himself), struggled to find sure footing. Following the missteps of August, Clinton veteran James Carville confronted Kerry campaign manager Mary Beth Cahill, telling her she had to step aside and let newly arrived Joe Lockhart run the campaign. So worked up, Carville began to cry, imploring Cahill: "You've got to let him do it." Carville continued, "Nobody can gain power without someone losing power." Carville threatened to go on "Meet the Press" the next day "and tell the truth about how bad it is" if Cahill didn't give effective control to Lockhart.

The "Outlandish" McCain Offer. Kerry's courtship of Senator John McCain to be his running mate was longer-standing and more intense than previously reported. As far back as August 2003, Kerry had taken McCain to breakfast to sound him out to run on a unity ticket. McCain batted away the idea as not serious, but Kerry, after he wrapped up the nomination in March, went back after McCain a half-dozen more times. "To show just how sincere he was, he made an outlandish offer," Newsweek's Thomas reports. "If McCain said yes he would expand the role of vice president to include secretary of Defense and the overall control of foreign policy. McCain exclaimed, 'You're out of your mind. I don't even know if it's constitutional, and it certainly wouldn't sell.'" Kerry was thwarted and furious. "Why the f--- didn't he take it? After what the Bush people did to him...'"

"A Marathon Man." Kerry's intensity on the trail rarely, if ever, faded. Moments after delivering his victory speech after wrapping up his party's nomination on March 2, Kerry was back in his motorcade and on his cell phone. "Dad," asked his daughter Alexandra. "Will you please appreciate this moment for 10 seconds?" Newsweek reports, "He mumbled yes, yes, he was happy, it was good, and then went back to working the cell phone." It occurred to his daughter Vanessa that her father did not match the media's clichi of him being a fourth-quarter player, he was a marathon man. Writes Thomas, "Kerry liked to say that 'every day is extra' after Vietnam, but actually every day was like the day before, a relentless march toward his goal."

Kerry's drive to self-perfection was boundless-sometimes to a fault. In early spring he sought counsel from Washington speech coach Michael Sheehan. With aides he would sometimes say, "Tell me everything you think I'm doing wrong." When John Sasso arrived on the campaign in September he found a candidate who had turned himself into a pincushion. "Kerry had been inviting personal criticism from pretty much anyone who had an opinion...Kerry was drowning in negative energy from all around," Thomas writes. Sasso wanted it to stop. There was to be no more direct criticism of the candidate, period. And Teresa and the daughters were not exempt, Newsweek reports.

Additional exclusive news reported in Newsweek's Special Election Issue:

Clinton Advice Spurned. Looking for a way to pick up swing voters in the Red States, former President Bill Clinton, in a phone call with Kerry, urged the Senator to back local bans on gay marriage. Kerry respectfully listened, then told his aides, "I'm not going to ever do that."

Kerry Anger Over Swift Boat Ads. By August, the attack of the Swift Boat veterans was getting to Kerry. He called adviser Tad Devine, who was prepping to appear on "Meet The Press" the next day: "It's a pack of f---ing lies, what they're saying about me," he fairly shouted over the phone. Kerry blamed his advisers for his predicament. (Cahill and Shrum argued responding to the ads would only dignify them.) He had wanted to fight back; they had counseled caution. Even Kerry's ex-wife, Julia Thorne, was very upset about the ads, she told daughter Vanessa. She could remember how Kerry had suffered in Vietnam; she had seen the scars on his body, heard him cry out at night in his nightmares. She was so agitated about the unfairness of the Swift Boat assault that she told Vanessa she was ready to break her silence, to speak out and personally answer the Swift Boat charges. She changed her mind only when she was reassured that the campaign was about to start fighting back hard.

Managing Teresa. Kerry's wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, presented a host of behind-the-scenes drama for Kerry. Early on, the campaign staff regarded Teresa as something of a hypochondriac, and she canceled three trips in October at the last minute, usually for what was described to aides as a "nonspecific malady." Kerry's first campaign manager, James Jordan, had little patience for her strong opinions, sending emails trashing the candidate's wife...which inevitably reached his rivals within the campaign, including Bob Shrum (an old Teresa friend) and helped seal Jordan's eventual dismissal.

Later came Kerry campaign's post-convention "Sea to Shining Sea" tour: a 3,500-mile bus and train trek that was not a happy trip for Teresa. With each passing day she made less effort to hide her displeasure. Audiences were mystified when Teresa turned her back to them at daylight rallies and wore dark sunglasses and a hat at night (backstage, the candidate's wife complained of migraines and sore eyes). As they reached the climax of the tour, an hourlong "family vacation" hike in the Grand Canyon, the planned happy-family- vacation was disintegrating in plain view. Daughter Vanessa didn't enjoy being a prop, Teresa was complaining of migraines and telling her husband she couldn't walk anymore. The candidate tried to bravely soldier on, pulling his sullen wife and children to show them the magnificent condors flying overhead.

Edwards Campaigns for Veep. Hours after bowing out of the presidential nomination race on March 3, the senator from North Carolina convened a small circle of his closest advisers at his house on P Street in Georgetown. He wanted the veep nomination, Edwards told his aides, he wanted it badly, and from that moment was going to wage "a full-fledged campaign" to ensure that he got it.

Shades of Dukakis. In early August, when the Swift Boat story started to pick up steam on the talk shows, Susan Estrich, a California law professor, well-known liberal talking head and onetime campaign manager for Michael Dukakis, had called the Kerry campaign for marching orders. She had been booked on Fox's "Hannity & Colmes" to talk about the Swift Boat ads. What are the talking points? Estrich asked the Kerry campaign. There are none, she was told. Estrich was startled. She had seen this bad movie before.

Newsweek's 2004 Special Election Issue marks the magazine's sixth consecutive installment of providing a behind-the-scenes account of the entire presidential campaign. The 50,000-word inside story was written by Assistant Managing Editor Evan Thomas and edited by Special Projects Director Alexis Gelber. The project's correspondents are: Jonathan Darman (with Kerry), Kevin Peraino (with Bush) and Contributing Editors Eleanor Clift and Peter Goldman.


While I agree with Kerry on standing his ground on the issue of gay marraige, most of this is highly discouraging.

Obviously...we picked the wrong ****ing candidate. Wes Clark or even Dick Gephardt would've been much, much stronger candidates. Howard Dean probably wouldn't have gotten as strong support as Kerry did this election, but he probably would've run a better campaign.

Kerry failed the Democrats. Likewise, the Democrats failed the Democrats. Hopefully we'll figure things out by 2006 and regain the Senate (perhaps before any judges leave the bench.)

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I would have preferred Dean-as-foil to the growing radical-right, but in retrospect Wes Clark would have been the best choice imo.

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Kerry did about as well as could be expected so I don't see why anyone would want to kick him. He's dead, let him rest in peace.

Circumstances conspired to shift control of the party to the far left and predictably led to defeat. Democrats need to understand that if they define themselves as a party of the minorities then they will be a minority party. Essentially this position cedes to the Republicans the status of governing party and reduces the Democratic party to being nothing more that a dissenting voice.

Face it, the majority of America does not embrace the Democratic viewpoint on social issues. This is the key. An unpopular war and bad economy should have resulted in gains for the Democrats but they made just about every wrong turn possible.

As incredible as it seems, even now there are clarion calls being issued from the left the the need to "rally the base". These people can't count.

America is split, torn and sick of partisanship. A moderate voice could have carried this election for the Democrats but instead middle America heard insults.

"Bush is stupid, how could you people have been so stupid as to elect him? If you elect him again you are stupid."

If you are religious, you were insulted by the Democratic liberal runaway crusade. In a country where most people are still (and likely to remain) religiously affliated this is political suicide. The real stupid people in this election were the leaders of the Democratic party.

If the Democratic party wants to be relevant again it will have to first concentrate on the 2006 congressional elections. Move to the center and compete for the swing vote. Abandon the far left positions that were staked out this year. Then, and only then, can the Democratic party hope to recapture the heart of the American people and occupy the White House.

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In short Kerry lost because of the Swift Boats for Veterans. He was on top in the polls with momentum and completely fumbled in response. Mainstream media couldn't carry the water for him inlight of their diminishing influence and uptick in the power of the internet and slowly but slowly the accusations started to stick.

30 some years later John O'Neil gets his revenge.

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Capt Dizle, spot on. At one point, Edwards (IIRC) said that anybody voting for Bush was insane. While most of the hard left might actually agree with that statement, most of America found it just a bit much.

If it were not for Clinton leading the party, I would not give the Democrats much hope for the immediate future. But Clinton is a very savvy politician and will right the Democrat ship.

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Most of the article didn't matter in the end. What Clinton said was right, if Kerry came out for the gay marriage bans he may have won some of those states, but Kerry didn't want to compromise that much. It was a coup for the Republicans that they could get the anti gay marriage initiatives out in force at the same time as this November's election. That is what tipped it.

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I'm not buying this "gay marriage won it for Bush" meme and neither are a lot of other people...

BTW, John O'Neill

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That's cause you live under the fiction that Republicans can win national elections without the backing or social religious conservatives.

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"To show just how sincere he was, he made an outlandish offer," Newsweek's Thomas reports. "If McCain said yes he would expand the role of vice president to include secretary of Defense and the overall control of foreign policy. McCain exclaimed, 'You're out of your mind. I don't even know if it's constitutional, and it certainly wouldn't sell.'" Kerry was thwarted and furious. "Why the f--- didn't he take it? After what the Bush people did to him...'"


So if McCain had agreed to be Kerry's Veep, Kerry would have made him both Vice President and Secretary of Defense and maybe even Secretary of State too ("overall control of foreign policy")?!?!?!?!?

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I don't think he could really do that, but he could have told the Sec Def and Sec State that they reported to the Veep.

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And in that sense, no different from the Bush administration .

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I'm not too sure he could do that either. As Cabinet positions they have to report to the President.

OTOH, I am not a Constitutional scholar. Ask Imran.

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There is official reporting to and de facto reporting to...

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That's cause you live under the fiction that Republicans can win national elections without the backing or social religious conservatives.


When did I say that? Of course the Republicans need the backing of religious conservatives to win elections, just like the Dems need space-cadet liberals...

I have a news flash for you, though. Not all religious conservatives vote on the issue of gay marriage. And not all opponents of gay marriage voted for Bush. I think I'll maintain my skepticism until I see some actual evidence for this meme as opposed to vague excuse-making...

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I'm not too sure he could do that either. As Cabinet positions they have to report to the President.

OTOH, I am not a Constitutional scholar. Ask Imran.


Cabinet positions are not defined in the Constitution, they are an invention of the President, and must be confimed by the Senate by federal law.

Kerry's job was to show he could be a more effective Commander-in-Chief. He failed, that's why he lost.

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Yeah, che is right, Cabinet positions are not set out in the Constitution. The President can tell his Cabinet members to do whatever. The only problems with having a Vice-President actually BE a cabinet member is that they must get confirmed by the Senate. However, having SecDef and SecState report directly to the Veep is no problem... AFAIK.

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Kerry's job was to show he could be a more effective Commander-in-Chief. He failed, that's why he lost.


Kerry should be happy that that the news did not come out before the election that he wanted to delegate the job of commander-in-chief to McCain.

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Has a President in war time ever lost an election?

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LBJ would have lost, had he run, don't you think?

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just like the Dems need space-cadet liberals...

"Space-cadet Liberals," so that's what the technical term is for the Democratic base. It makes sense now.

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Kerry should be happy that that the news did not come out before the election that he wanted to delegate the job of commander-in-chief to McCain.


It wouldn't be the first time a Dem Prez had a GOP SecDef. IIRC, there were rumors circulating about this for some time, actually. I don't think it would havve mattered one whit had it been confirmed before the election. Kerry lost on the military question and Bush won on gay marriage.

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Probably, but that war had been fubar for several years, while Bush has only had a year to screw up in Iraq. What surprises me is that pepole thought he was better on terrorism when A) 9/11 happened on his watch, B) He let bin Laden escape in Tora Bora so he could move troops to Kuwait, C) the missing munitions. I doubt Mussolini could have done worse.

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I think supporting the gay marriage ban would have been important to getting support for Kerry in some states. I remember that the Christian community (including Pat Robertson) was very excited about President Carter in 1976. I think the Democrates need a candidate that does not support 100% two of the social planks of the platform...abortion and gay rights. It would also have to be unambiguous. Not "I'm against abortion, but I'm pro-choice." That person would have to support a ban on late term abortion or something similar.

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What surprises me is that pepole thought he was better on terrorism when A) 9/11 happened on his watch, B) He let bin Laden escape in Tora Bora so he could move troops to Kuwait, C) the missing munitions.


This points to another reason why Kerry lost. The Kerry camp kept assuming that All Americans (or at least a significant majority) would "see the light" and blame Bush for A,B and C. They were wrong. A majority don't blame Bush for 9-11 since it happened only 9 months into his presidency and there had been a weak anti-terror policy prior to Bush. A majority of Americans don't think Bush let Bin Laden escape because they know that we did not outsource the job since we had hundreds of special forces hunting Bin Laden in Tora Bora. And a majority of Americans don't blame Bush for the missing ammo because they know that our troops have successfully destroyed the vast majority of ammo found and that the missing ammo was probably gone prior to our arrival.

Now this may be hard for Dems to understand. You may think Americans are idiots or ignorant if they don't think Bush is incompetent on Iraq and the terrorism. Even if they are stupid or ignorant, it does not change the fact that is how they feel!

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That's because you're gullible and believe anything Rush tells you.

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When did I say that? Of course the Republicans need the backing of religious conservatives to win elections, just like the Dems need space-cadet liberals...

I have a news flash for you, though. Not all religious conservatives vote on the issue of gay marriage. And not all opponents of gay marriage voted for Bush. I think I'll maintain my skepticism until I see some actual evidence for this meme as opposed to vague excuse-making...


Oh, I see you , as always, chose ignorance when the simple numbers are staring you in the face. Of course not all opponents of the Gay marriage ban voted for Bush, but one party has a ban as part of their platform, the other does not- guess which is which, genius.

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As I understand it, Kerry got the vote of a full one-third of the pro-ban voters in Ohio.

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but one party has a ban as part of their platform, the other does not- guess which is which, genius.

I'm guessing the party that won had the ban?

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As I understand it, Kerry got the vote of a full one-third of the pro-ban voters in Ohio.


Yes, a third.

Vs. Two thirds for Bush. Given that the difference more than accounts for the difference in victory- lets guess which party owes it's power to this group as a whole?

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That's because you're gullible and believe anything Rush tells you.


uh no, but moving on...

My point is that the Dems can say that Americans are idiots, ignorant, gullible for agreeing with Bush on Iraq. You can wonder all you want, "why don't Americans see things our way? Why don't they see that Bush is incompetent, dangerous, foolish etc?".

It does not change the fact that a lot of Americans do support Bush on Iraq and the war on terror despite all the Dems claims that "Bush misled" and "Bush is incompetent".

 
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