08-11-2004 23:24									#31
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Closer to 75% if you include the imaginary people.

	08-11-2004 23:25									#32
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~60% of registered voters.

	08-11-2004 23:29									#33
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Not of registered voters. Of people who would be eligible to vote if they decided to register.

	08-11-2004 23:34									#34
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http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/censu...stpopcounts.htm

Around 55% apparantly. That seems odd. I guess practically every eligible voter is registered?

	08-11-2004 23:35									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/censu...stpopcounts.htm Around 55% apparantly. That seems odd. I guess practically every eligible voter is registered?

Motor voter laws have pushed registration numbers up, as was the intent.

	09-11-2004 00:30									#36
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No proof whatsoever, so it just comes across as desperate whining. From what I've seen of this Palast guy, that appears to be his M.O.

We do need a better voting system. The machines here in CT are really old, IIRC.

-Arrian

	09-11-2004 00:34									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian From what I've seen of this Palast guy, that appears to be his M.O.

Then you haven't seen very much. He's very good at sniffing out evidence.

	09-11-2004 00:36									#38
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Well, he didn't do a very good job of it here. And reading that article would lead one to conclude that he is just a desperate partisan hack. In short - he shouldn't have written it. You don't make accusations like that w/o evidence, especially if you want to be taken seriously later on.

-Arrian

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Our machines in Illinois weren't much better. Old punch machines that I really had to fiddle with to make proper punches. But at least when you're done, they put it through a machine to check for valid punches.

	09-11-2004 00:36									#40
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Especially in the moderate gay Iowan catagory, huh?

You can't be simultaneously Iowan and moderate. They're extremist hillbillies the lot of them, by definition.

	09-11-2004 00:37									#41
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Ours are the ones where you go in, click switches for the candidates you want to vote for, and then move a big lever to register the votes & reset it for the next voter.

Maybe they work fine, and if so, good. But IIRC they're approaching the century mark.

-Arrian

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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist You can't be simultaneously Iowan and moderate. They're extremist hillbillies the lot of them, by definition.

There are no hills in Iowa.

	09-11-2004 00:41									#43
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quote: Originally posted by rah Our machines in Illinois weren't much better. Old punch machines that I really had to fiddle with to make proper punches. But at least when you're done, they put it through a machine to check for valid punches.

Hmmm... we used those machines last election, but this time, we had the "fill in the circle" ballots, which were then scanned... considering I live in the same town, just a few miles away, you would think we would have the same balloting system...

	09-11-2004 00:42									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Ours are the ones where you go in, click switches for the candidates you want to vote for, and then move a big lever to register the votes & reset it for the next voter. Maybe they work fine, and if so, good. But IIRC they're approaching the century mark. -Arrian

Our machines never break down and are simple to use.

	09-11-2004 00:49									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Well, he didn't do a very good job of it here.

I agree, but given what he's uncovered in the past, I trust his nose for scandal. That doesn't mean I'm going to run around screaming the GOP stole the election unless I see proof, which is why I hope some Democratic voter in Ohio has standing to sue for a full recount.

	09-11-2004 00:51									#46
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Pure speculation. We can't know the results of spoiled ballots.

Also keep in mind that it is counties that usually provide the voting precincts. If this spoilage did take place in heavily Democratic areas, it's probably Democrats that administered.

It should also be noted with Ohio is several areas there showed a greater number of registered voters then the voting age population, with some people registered as obviously fake names such as Micky Mouse.

	09-11-2004 01:23									#47
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this is a dupe thread...

http://www.apolyton.net/forums/show...threadid=124967

	09-11-2004 01:34									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist You can't be simultaneously Iowan and moderate. They're extremist hillbillies the lot of them, by definition.

I take it that you don't know anything about Iowa?

	09-11-2004 01:36									#49
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Ok, hows about western Iowa?

Where's that map of election results by country again....

-Arrian

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quote: Originally posted by Ming Hmmm... we used those machines last election, but this time, we had the "fill in the circle" ballots, which were then scanned... considering I live in the same town, just a few miles away, you would think we would have the same balloting system...

You must remember that we're in different counties. Lake county is much wealthier than Cook County

	09-11-2004 01:41									#51
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@MrFun: Look at the lexicon:

hillbilly 1) Person from Iowa. 2) Person behaving as an Iowan.

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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Ok, hows about western Iowa? Where's that map of election results by country again.... -Arrian

Well yes, to be honest, I love eastern Iowa much more than western Iowa.



But at least my home state still has an excellent education system -- it beats other states, such as Illinois (not that I deplore Illinois).

	09-11-2004 01:53									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Ours are the ones where you go in, click switches for the candidates you want to vote for, and then move a big lever to register the votes & reset it for the next voter. Maybe they work fine, and if so, good. But IIRC they're approaching the century mark. -Arrian

We use them in New Jersey.

Maybe so, but they are prpbably the most foolproof system this country has -- no chads, no mis-scans, no multiple selections for the same positions. Just a few clicks and a pull.

	09-11-2004 01:54									#54
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Iowa has hills?

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Thank God Minnesota has optical scan-type ballots.

	09-11-2004 01:57									#56
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Iowa has hills?

Glacial dump piles.

	09-11-2004 02:04									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Odin Thank God Minnesota has optical scan-type ballots.

Optical scan has the least errors of any other type of system, so far. Eventually they'll work the crooks out of touch screen.

	09-11-2004 02:27									#58
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Fewer errors than lever? I find that hard to believe.

	09-11-2004 04:41									#59
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Because for some reason federal elections are run at the county level. Just asks for corruption and inefficiency...

This is a terrific point that no one ever mentions.

It just seems insane to me that a national election is run willy-nilly by various methods.

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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous We all predicted it. It happened again. There really needs to be some massive changes in voting.