05-11-2004 22:01									#1
	Outliving the barbarians Support Apolyton

This game has started!

This is the setup thread and sould be closed soon. You can find the trecker thread for the game here.


Do you know how it is to live near a barbarian horde?

I mean, do you really know? The game is about surviving in a place filled with barbarians. Not only raging but freekin' crazy. It will probably continue as normal, once we're out of the Middle ages. If we make it...


Players and (roughly) playing times:

Paddy - Celts (24/7, 365 days a year)
(1889) Pakal - Maya (18-6 GMT)
Snoopy - Arabia (1-5 GMT)
Beta - Babylon (???)
Makahlua - Egypt (6-12 GMT)
Aqualung - Persia (10-16 GMT)
punkbass - Sumeria (15-16 GMT)
Modo - Russia (15-23 GMT)

Final setup:

Huge map
Monarch,
Pangea,
60% water,
Arid,
Warm,
5 Billion,

The rules and the basic setup will be modified. You have been warned.

We will be playing on a Huge map to leave space for the barbarians to roam. No, this is not a joke, yes, the game might get long. Sir Ralph will prapare the map for us. He'll set it up to give us roughly equal locations, roughly equal distances to each other and roughly equal chances of getting slaughtered by the barbs. (Thank you Sir Ralph and others who have answered my PMs.)

To make sure we don't get defenses too easy, no Militaristic civs are allowed. Also, Greece and Carthage don't play, because their UUs would give too much of an avantage in this game.

Rule changes. The "weak" barbarian unit will be the Swordsman (3/2/1). The "strong" barbarians will be modified Keshiks (4/3/3, 2 defensive bombard, enslave resulting in Archers, +1 HP). The barbarian ships will be modified Dromons (2/1/4, 2 bombard, +1 HP). We will have no bonuses when fighting barbarians. Settling in Desert, Jungle and Tundra tiles will be disabled. Irrigating Desert tiles will be disabled. Clearing wetlands will require the knowledge of Invention.

The option "NoAIPatrol=0" will be set by the last player in the turn order, to make the barbs a little more vicious (PTW behaviour - they will patrol if without targets, instead of fortifying).


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	05-11-2004 22:57									#2
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looks like a good party

	05-11-2004 23:08									#3
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And welcome. What Civ would you like to play?

I see you really like the I found on the site you found.

	05-11-2004 23:25									#4
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This sounds like a job for Pakal and his Mayans. I hope we can stay away from a huge map though.

	05-11-2004 23:39									#5
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Pakal it is? Sure thing.

	05-11-2004 23:59									#6
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Something that you might like to know. The Romans also have a 3 defense UU...

	06-11-2004 00:07									#7
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I know that. But they are already covered by the "no Militaristic civs" rule. And yes, I know about the French, but what is important here is the advantage in the Ancient Age.

	06-11-2004 00:12									#8
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ah, yes, my bad

another option for you though: There is another PBEM that is currently being played (Tarzan PBEM) That was designed to do just this. It is quite good, and the rules can be found here

	06-11-2004 00:23									#9
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Yes, it has the Keshiks. But it also has jungles and mountains to hide/defend if they come. And it has enough players on the map to take all the territory and be done with the barbs (or so I think, not having played it). What I want is a vast and empty space for those barbarians to roam - that's why the world is dry and old and has fewer oceans. And I make them even stronger than the original, on purpose. This one is supposed to hurt real bad.

I think it would be worth considering to disallow settling in the Desert...

[edit] Some more SP testing showed that slowing down the tech pace would require kicking Expansionists out of the game (too good a trait under these conditions). It turned out that I'm playing Russia (Expansionist), so the tech cost will be standard (unchanged from stock rules). [/edit]

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	06-11-2004 02:20									#10
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Ooooo. 'Barabrians at the Gate' I see ^^ ....I'm turning into Paddy with all this joining, but what the heck!

Haven't been Miss Cleo for awhile, Egypt might just be the thing

	06-11-2004 02:26									#11
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Welcome, Pharaoh.

[edit]
I probably should warn that this will be extremely hard on everyone's fingernails in the late BCs. I'm just trying out a similar game with 2/2/1 and 4/2/3 barbs and they are already a pain...
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	06-11-2004 04:45									#12
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* Paddy the Scot doffs his hat at the Lady Makahlua

Good to see you again joining the field of conquest yet again

Lords Modo and 1889, a pleasure indeed to once again join with you in this grand hunt

quote: Originally posted by Modo44 And welcome. What Civ would you like to play? I see you really like the I found on the site you found.

indeed, one very happy and assured smiley

so if allowed I would like to be the Celts
they be agricultural and religious
or have I mixed some rule up here
please advise


well then folks - time for some good food, an ale or two, and plenty of sodas to go around

* Paddy the Scot and Michelle breakdown a side of their wagon, and start setting up a bar and a fine spread

	06-11-2004 05:00									#13
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Yeees. The Celts are just fine. I'm just beginning to feel sorry that I didn't take them myself. Im with Mother Russia then. This means that we won't have the research speed decreased.

Thank you for the soda.

*takes a drink*

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	06-11-2004 09:53									#14
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Any more room for a reprobate who has been directed to this thread in order to help channel his recently acquired aggression?

	06-11-2004 10:27									#15
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welcome to the darkside Lung

	06-11-2004 10:34									#16
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Oh, I've been on the dark side for a while now. I've just been hiding it. Remember Iron Civer? Actually, it's Paddy the Scot who has been "coming out" lately, with some rather despicable unprovoked acts that should not be mentioned here

So, do I get a guernsey?

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	06-11-2004 10:45									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Aqualung71 [EDIT: Removed dumb comment after deciding to actually read the first post...]

come on, put it back

ya know you want us to read it

	06-11-2004 11:14									#18
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There's still room for you. Just remember, Paddy has the Celts.

And comments are appreciated.

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	06-11-2004 13:09									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 The option "NoAIPatrol=0" will be set by the first player in the turn order, to make the barbs a little more vicious (PTW behaviour - they will patrol if without targets, instead of fortifying).

Barbarian movement occurs during the last player's turn, so they would be the one that needs the flag fixed...

	06-11-2004 13:22									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D Barbarian movement occurs during the last player's turn, so they would be the one that needs the flag fixed...

Thanks for the info. This setting is pretty important for the game, so I'll take the last place in the turn order. Just in case.

First post updated.

Oh, and are you joining the game, perhaps?

	06-11-2004 13:36									#21
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yeah Rommel, join in old chap

	07-11-2004 01:31									#22
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After considering, I decided to disallow settling in Desert tiles. We won't be able to Irrigate them either. This means that some land will remain unclaimed for a long time, except with military patrols. Good for the barbs.

As much as I would like it, a completely random map probably won't assure comparable starts. Especially starts in equal danger of being overrun by the barbs. So the map will be slightly tweaked for that purpose, possibly not only by moving starting locations. None of us will know for sure, since we won't be preparing it ourselves.

This thread will sit here until Monday, to wait for more players. I'll bump it tomorrow evening, if it's too quiet. Then the settings will be sent to the person making the map (if I find one till then ). I'll be gone starting Monday afternoon and will be back Wednesday morning, so that's when I plan to start the game. I'll make a separate tracker thread when that happens and PM you all.

	07-11-2004 01:53									#23
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Is the world still arid and warm? I don't see why non settling or irrigating desert is a good idea?

I'd rather let us use desert and make the world 3 billion years old instead.

	07-11-2004 02:07									#24
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The point of having an arid and warm world and forbid settling deserts is simple. It is to have a large desert that remains civilization-free. For the barbs to roam, of course.

This works together with having an old world. It makes the planet a tad more more flat, so as to get lots of open space (deserts, plains, grasslands). This is not a requirement, as Keshiks are just as fast in mountains and would actually hurt us more coming through mountain ranges. It's more to give our pangea the feel of a vast and open land. Some jungle and forests would have to be cleared by the map maker.

	07-11-2004 02:27									#25
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IF there's room, can I take Sumeria?

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	07-11-2004 02:40									#26
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	07-11-2004 05:56									#27
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Persia

	07-11-2004 10:16									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 Oh, and are you joining the game, perhaps?

Sorry, but even with only a half dozen games now I sometimes don't have enough time to play them. My sporadic periods of free time are used to surf the forums and help out or heckle delinquent players as I see fit.

	07-11-2004 10:37									#29
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If you don't mind i'd love to play, as Arabia. If any civ is fit to deal with vast deserts full of dangerous roaming barbarians, it's the Arabs ...

	07-11-2004 10:40									#30
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I know it's late to say this, but I have to say that the Celts and perhaps even more so the Persians i'd argue get a bigger advantage than the Greeks or the Carthaginians. That, and Expansionists probably get a bigger bonus than Militarist civs (i'd think by quite a bit).

That said, i'm not too worried about any of them being in the game ... i'm happy to pit my Arabs against a Celtic civ any day, barbs or no barbs