13-11-2004 05:26									#31
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So I'd like to know where, you got the notion
Said I'd like to know where, you got the notion
To rock the boat, don't rock the boat baby
Rock the boat, don't tip the boat over
Rock the boat, don't rock the boat baby
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Ever since our voyage of love began
Your touch has thrilled me like the rush of the wind
And your arms have held me safe from a rolling sea
There's always been a quiet place to harbor you and me

Our love is like a ship on the ocean
We've been sailing with a cargo full of love and devotion

So I'd like to know where, you got the notion
Said I'd like to know where, you got the notion
To rock the boat, don't rock the boat baby
Rock the boat, don't tip the boat over
Rock the boat, don't rock the boat baby
Rock the boat

Up to now we sailed through every storm
And I've always had your tender lips to keep me warm
Oh I need to have the strength that flows from you
Don't let me drift away my dear, when love can see me through

Our love is like a ship on the ocean
We've been sailing with a cargo full of love and devotion

So I'd like to know where, you got the notion
Said I'd like to know where, you got the notion
To rock the boat
Rock the boat
Rock the boat
Rock the boat
Rock the boat
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	13-11-2004 05:42									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Ming over use of

don't discount it until you see who they put up for senate minority leader. then discount it.

	13-11-2004 05:45									#33
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quote: Originally posted by GePap 3% of the electorate does not equal a landslide under any notion of the word.

He means in the EC. Very few votes are separating Bush from taking a bunch of Kerry states. The end lesson of all this to learn is not that the US is Jesus Land, its that the majority will never vote against anyone, only for.

	13-11-2004 05:46									#34
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Like I said, not quite a landslide.

Another couple of percent though, .

	13-11-2004 05:53									#35
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Uh, no. It's still aproximately a 3% difference between the two.

	13-11-2004 06:18									#36
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OTOH, 60 million is only about 20% of the US population

	13-11-2004 07:26									#37
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Be kind to the Republicans. They're celebrating because they didn't need the massive voter fraud of 2000. This time they relied on a message of fear, and alot of people bought it.

	13-11-2004 14:33									#38
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The Upper Midwest won't be safe territory for the Dems for much longer; demographic changes are making it increasingly favorable territory for the Republicans. If the Repubs don't blow this, they could have a structural advantage in the Electoral College for decades to come...

	13-11-2004 14:36									#39
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How is 51% considered a "blowout"?

	13-11-2004 15:08									#40
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Losing a tire on the freeway at 51 mph is a blowout.
Taking 51 dollars off of every $100 purchase is a blowout.
Doing 51 lines of finely-cut cocaine is a blowout.

Getting 51 percent of the popular vote is not a blowout.*

*When your main opponent got 48-49%.

	13-11-2004 15:19									#41
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Especially when your opponent gets 57,122,374 votes -- the second most votes for President in history.

And it's another Bushism to think, with 51% of the votes, that he has a mandate.

And be careful what you wish for...true, the Republicans have control of the White House, both houses of Congress and the Supreme Court, but in four years, when they drive this country into the grounds, everyone will know who to blame.

	13-11-2004 18:38									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker How is 51% considered a "blowout"?

When it snags control of all 3 branches of government.

	13-11-2004 18:45									#43
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I love how GePap is asking us to imagine if Kerry had gotten more votes he would have won.

Well, if Kerry had been a CONSERVATIVE he might have won. But of course, then he wouldn't have been Kerry.

Seriously though, the Republcans were the only party actively promoting their Moderate members and courting the Moderates this election, the Democrats shunned them and wallowed on the Liberal side till the last few weeks.

That's just going encourage even more swing towards the Republican camp.

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The Media widely proclaimed Clinton to have a mandate in 92 after he won 43% of the vote.

In fact, there have been only two Democrats this century to win over 50% of the vote: FDR and LBJ.

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quote: The Media widely proclaimed Clinton to have a mandate in 92 after he won 43% of the vote.

10% more than the other guy, IIRC.

	13-11-2004 20:07									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe As we discussed in the Warning to the Republicans thread. IMO the repubs have now an opportunity to have a big tent, they need to understand they need to make room for the moderates.

So, if Bush loses this means that the Republican party needs to rethink its policy. And if it wins... it means that the Republican party needs to rethink its policy? Can you explain this to me? Why change a winning strategy? And by the way, isnīt the hispanic vote a prove that moderates do have a room in Republican party?

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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs Two words: Election Fraud

One word: Why?

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker 10% more than the other guy, IIRC.

You don't. Clinton won by 5.6%, 43% to 37.4%.

	13-11-2004 20:18									#50
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quote: Originally posted by OliverFA So, if Bush loses this means that the Republican party needs to rethink its policy. And if it wins... it means that the Republican party needs to rethink its policy? Can you explain this to me? Why change a winning strategy? And by the way, isnīt the hispanic vote a prove that moderates do have a room in Republican party?

Repubs were lucky in that they had Kerry to face. Given another ACTUAL candidate the story could have and should have been much worse.

This more than any other reason is the reason to expand the party to the big tent. Dems have adopted the minority position stand of going hard left. Now is the time to capture for the long haul the moderate center.

	13-11-2004 20:20									#51
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57% of the country in 92 voted for someone other then Bill Clinton to be President. That's not a mandate at all.

	13-11-2004 20:22									#52
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quote: The Media widely proclaimed Clinton to have a mandate in 92 after he won 43% of the vote. In fact, there have been only two Democrats this century to win over 50% of the vote: FDR and LBJ.

Actually, Carter won over 50% of the vote.

Clinton probably would've gotten over 50% both times if it weren't for Perot. The only reason why anyone got over 50% of the vote this year is that there were no viable third party candidates.

Dear Leader won by the smallest margin an incumbent has won by since Wilson. That ain't a mandate.

	13-11-2004 20:24									#53
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Then the word has no meaning given the scale of the victory the Republicans scored.

	13-11-2004 20:27									#54
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They won Senate seats in a bunch of red states (and often by very little) and unseated a bunch of Texas Dems by redistricting ad absurdum, big deal.

The Dems did take Colorado, OTOH.

	13-11-2004 21:10									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten You don't. Clinton won by 5.6%, 43% to 37.4%.

I was four

Actually, I knew Perot got ~20%, and did the math wrong.

	13-11-2004 21:10									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo quote: The Media widely proclaimed Clinton to have a mandate in 92 after he won 43% of the vote. In fact, there have been only two Democrats this century to win over 50% of the vote: FDR and LBJ. Actually, Carter won over 50% of the vote. Clinton probably would've gotten over 50% both times if it weren't for Perot. The only reason why anyone got over 50% of the vote this year is that there were no viable third party candidates. Dear Leader won by the smallest margin an incumbent has won by since Wilson. That ain't a mandate.

Clinton probably would've lost if it weren't for Perot.

	13-11-2004 21:14									#57
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Not true. If you look at the post DNC polls in '92 when Perot dropped out of the race, Clinton was leading by enormous margins.

	13-11-2004 21:18									#58
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Some here aren't quite coming to terms with the realignment going on. In 2006, Bush can campaign to unseat senators in a lot of states that were previously blue as the sky. Because of this, he won't be a lame duck for at least 2 years, which is an amazing accomplishment for a 2nd term president.

	13-11-2004 21:23									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo quote: The Media widely proclaimed Clinton to have a mandate in 92 after he won 43% of the vote. In fact, there have been only two Democrats this century to win over 50% of the vote: FDR and LBJ. Actually, Carter won over 50% of the vote.

James Carter Walter Mondale Democratic 40,831,881 50.08%

Gerald Ford Robert Dole Republican 39,148,634 48.02%


Yup.

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quote: Originally posted by DanS Some here aren't quite coming to terms with the realignment going on. In 2006, Bush can campaign to unseat senators in a lot of states that were previously blue as the sky. Because of this, he won't be a lame duck for at least 2 years, which is an amazing accomplishment for a 2nd term president.

True, but who's really vulnerable in 2006?