13-11-2004 03:36									#1
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quote: Russian President Putin is taking a lead role in putting together the most powerful coalition of regional and superpowers in the world. The coalition consists of India, China, Russia and Brazil. This will challenge the superpower supremacy of America as well as the European Union. The Chinese are concerned about American and European influence over the world. So is India, Brazil and Russia. Russians need Brazil badly. Brazil is in South America in the American corridor. According to Startfor, a strategic think tank, when Russian President Vladimir Putin visits Brazil Nov. 21-23, he likely will talk economic issues with Brazilian President Luiz Inacio "Lula" da Silva. However, Putin has bigger ambitions: He wants to establish a long-term Russian footprint in Latin America in order to expand Moscow's geopolitical influence in the region. Brazil is very open to the coalition concept where these large countries support each other in term of trade, economics, international politics and defense. According other think tanks, this coalition will have an overwhelming influence over the United Nations. Russia and China are permanent members of the security council. India and Brazil are in the process of becoming the same. In terms of population, the coalition will have three quarters of the world population, largest amount of natural resources and largest pool of technical and scientific talent.

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If this indeed comes to pass, will this result in a collective "oh sh!t" from the first world? What will the US do to stop Brazil from partipating in what is a de facto anti-US coalition?

	13-11-2004 03:38									#2
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We in the first world have a terrible record. Why not let someone else have a turn?

	13-11-2004 03:40									#3
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quote: In terms of population, the coalition will have three quarters of the world population

No.

	13-11-2004 03:43									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon We in the first world have a terrible record. Why not let someone else have a turn?

	13-11-2004 04:01									#5
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My reply to this regime:

First off, **** your regime in the click you claim
West COALITION when we ride come equipped with game
You claim to be a player but I fudged your wife
We bust on commie niggaz fudged for life
Plus commies tryin to see me weak hearts I rip
Stalin, Lenin and Ho Chi Min some mark ass *****es
We keep on comin' while we runnin for ya jewels
steady gunnin, keep on bustin at the fools, you know the rules
Little Osama, go ask ya homie how I leave ya
cut your young ass up, leave you in pieces, now be deceased
Kim Il Yong, don't **** around with real G's
Quick to snatch yo' ugly ass off tha street, so fudge peace
I let them crackas know it's on for life
So let the West COALITION ride tonight hahahah
India murdered on wax, and killed
Fudge wit' me and get ya caps peeled, you know ... see ...
Grab ya glocks, when you see SC
Call the cops, when you see SC, uhh
Who badmouth me, but ya punks didn't finish
Now ya bout to feel the wrath of a menace
COMMIE HIT'EM UP!

	13-11-2004 04:06									#6
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Yeah, Russo-Chinese cooperation towards world domination has been working very well since the '60s or so ...

	13-11-2004 04:06									#7
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At last!
Go Putin, Go!!!
Soon we will rule this crappy planet.

	13-11-2004 04:07									#8
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I wonder though.. the Brazil on this connection,... Now Putin is a mighty man but what is the historical connection between these two countries, and is Putin able to make Brazil a good buddy? What do you guys think?

	13-11-2004 04:08									#9
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider Russians need Brazil badly.

That's true. We need Pele to teach our players how to play football.

	13-11-2004 04:11									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka I wonder though.. the Brazil on this connection,... Now Putin is a mighty man but what is the historical connection between these two countries, and is Putin able to make Brazil a good buddy? What do you guys think?

Aside football we need Brazil like car needs fifth wheel. And I bet Brazil needs us even less.

	13-11-2004 04:15									#11
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Right, that's what I was thinking.. the connection... I mean, I guess it's good to have someone in South America but other than that... I thought that maybe you had some historical connections that I never heard of. But I guess the connections doesn't really exists. At least not yet.. interesting.. why Brazil.. Well, I guess this regime is trying to hog all the hot ladies

I will NOT agree!

	13-11-2004 04:24									#12
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Nothing like choosing Brazil to make connections with Latin America. Why choose the one LA nation that speaks Portuguese? I'd try for Argentina. They'd fit in just as well in that bizzaro coalition as Brazil would, and that would give the coalition street cred in Spanish LA.

There's no way that a colation involving Russia, China, and India could work. I mean, its not like those countries are geopolitically opposed to each other, right?

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	13-11-2004 04:27									#13
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I don't understand why India would join such an alliance. I seem to remember they fought a war with China at one point, and I'd doubt they'd be that keen on China with the Maoist insurgency going on in their neighbour Nepal. It'd be a pretty clever bit of diplomacy on the part of Putin to get China on side too, as relations have never been that warm between the two nations even during the Cold War (as they espoused different forms of Marxism). I just don't see what common ground these states have except their dislike (or indifference) towards the US...

	13-11-2004 04:29									#14
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Well, China right now might need Russia, but in 30 years it will likely challenge the US by itself. Brazil is always the country of tommorrow, and it will never get there. Plus India, Russia, China are all too close to really be friends.

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All bow down to the Lord God Putin!

	13-11-2004 05:45									#16
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@vodka: Yes, India and China fought a war in the '60s, and still have unresolved border disputes.

In addition to the Nepalese Maoists, there's a bunch of Maoist guerilla groups operating in India itself too. I don't know if they've got any connection to China these days.

	13-11-2004 05:52									#17
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so......which of them is going to foot the enormous 'defence' budget to challenge the US 'global military footprint'?

Let's see...they'd need about 300 surface ships with advanced anti-air and missile tech...

about another 20-30 subs....I'll give the russians this, their subs are OK (despite sinking so often)

5-12 large aircraft carriers

200 very large transport aircraft

350-400 advanced air superiority fighters

a metric ****-LOAD of cruise missiles.

(figures pulled out of u know where)

doesn't look like this is happening for russia....but wait! What a great opportunity to sell russian military junk to doofs in pursuit of some pie-in-the-sky plan! Why, they might even diversify the economy away from oil a little!

nah...that's not it I know Putin wouldn't be so sleazy...

	13-11-2004 06:13									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon We in the first world have a terrible record. Why not let someone else have a turn?

What's this "we" ****, second worlder?

	13-11-2004 06:21									#19
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quote: Brazil is in South America in the American corridor.

..and after the article HAD to explain where Brazil was located I made up my mind that this was plagiarized from a third grade classroom.

Yes, Brazil is the BIGGEST FRICKIN' COUNTRY in South America.

	13-11-2004 06:28									#20
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quote: The coalition consists of India, China, Russia and Brazil

A match made in heaven, If they can agree on one thing, beers are on me.

	13-11-2004 06:35									#21
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China has no future.

	13-11-2004 06:36									#22
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They have: Too much Americanism.

Mine's a Guiness.

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I think it's a good idea, economicaly more then militarily. Three-way balance is best, so if they can pull it off- then good. It'll be a world of three powers, and non-aligned 3rd world nations can cut themselves a better deal between the three. Also, the contortions they'd have to make to work better with eachover will mellow and advance them ?(hopefully they won't end up just corrupting eachother anyway).

I sincerely hope that nobody bothers trying to be like America militarily, just coz Americans want to pay an arm and a leg and a seven-day work week so they can have a giant space-fleet, or Deathstar or whatever it is they're trying to achieve, don't mean the rest of the world should follow suite down the road of mindless super-militarism too.

	13-11-2004 06:40									#24
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The dark forces are amassing

Does Brazil have a sizeable military?

	13-11-2004 06:45									#25
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One ring to pwn them all.

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What's the obsession with military? Who exactly do ou expect them to want to invade? Who do you expect will want to invade them? Stop expecting the world to think like an American think-tank already.

I'm no pacifist, war is natural, but warfare amongst superblocks such as these is too costly and pointless to contemplate. Unless Americas guilty secret is that it is slowly building up it's forces for the day it will invade everywhereatonce or something (wouldn't put it past em).

Economic/Political Power is All, an Economic/Political Alliance between these superblocks and majorblocks represents a strong game-plan for the coming centuary.

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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat They have: Too much Americanism. Mine's a Guiness.

1. bleh, doesn't count
2. I said beer.

	13-11-2004 07:23									#28
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And in other news, America signed an alliance today with the Moon and Mars ...

Heh. Seriously, both India and China will, in time, come to dominate Eurasia, IMO. Russia is a has-been power whose population is declining and whose pride rests exclusively on the Strategic Rocket Forces. Good grief. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if China and India simply *overgrow* Russia's territory naturally in time. What does Russia have? 180 million or so people? And that's shrinking. China and India together have more than 2 billion people.

Russia wants to survive and prosper? They'd better ally themselves with the EU and US. Then Mother Russia can regain a real sort of glory as a powerful, democratic nation. But, hey, if they wanna stick with KGB throwbacks, it's their business, so long as they keep their nukes under control.

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	13-11-2004 07:29									#29
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quote: Originally posted by problem_child I'm no pacifist, war is natural, but warfare amongst superblocks such as these is too costly and pointless to contemplate. Unless Americas guilty secret is that it is slowly building up it's forces for the day it will invade everywhereatonce or something (wouldn't put it past em).

Whatever. Our entire military numbers maybe 1.1 million, and if Rumsfeld has his way, that's going to shrink as we get "lighter and faster" at the expense of the heavy hitting and occupation power that's necessary to bring an enemy to heel. I happen to prefer balance, but then again I'm not the secretary of defense.

quote: Economic/Political Power is All, an Economic/Political Alliance between these superblocks and majorblocks represents a strong game-plan for the coming centuary.

Economic and political power together can account for two-thirds of the pie. But without that crucial third — military power — do tell me how fancy suited bankers and ivory tower economists are going to dominate the world? At some point along the road, someone is going to start shooting, and you'd damn well better be able to shoot back and, using Colin Powell's strategy, go in with overwhelming force. That's human nature for ya.

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	13-11-2004 07:34									#30
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I agree completely! So rich euro countries......who buys the first large carrier? Only a dozen or so more to go after that.

Any takers?

Huh?

Denmark I'm looking at you.....no?

Oh well I guess it's back to waiting for the next american civil war.