17-11-2004 00:55									#61
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Keep in mind resources and such will change depending on how many players we have and where the civs will be placed.

I encourage people not to study things too closely. It kinda takes away the point if everyone memorizes where all the resources are. I made the map and I honestly don't remember where I put things. Oil in ME, Silk in China, Spice in spice islands, but beyond that and other general things I really don't remember.

So PLEASE. If you are gonna play this map don't study and memorize resource placement.

The MOD has an Israeli civ in it (or a proto-Israeli civ) based on the desire of Rasputin in our earlier attempt at a game to play that. If you are Egypt, then Israel is out of course. All that can be edited. Plus I added one unit, a hot air balloon which is just a mid-game recon unit.

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	17-11-2004 01:42									#62
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its pretty simple to fix the rules back to default, so no worries about extra civs and units rules. i just wanted to see resource distribution and the map, and i think we'd be better off with the map doing the distribution randomly. i know it won't be accurate to history, and can make it very difficult for some players because many resources will be stuck in the americaa and australia; at least though it won't be prone to balancing failures that human editing can create.

also i think the map really needs more bananas and tobacco, italy could use an extra hill, more evidence of the alps, more food in norway, england one tile wider, iceland pushed back by one, more forests in north america, etc

could even be better to use a map that makes europe-asia bigger at the expense of a smaller american continent

about the diplofaq

4.3 increase naval unit movement

raise curraghs, galleys by one point
caravels, privateers, galleons, frigates by two points
modern ships by three

i wouldnt mind seeing the privateer getting +1 to attack


7.4 natives

if america and australia are going to be empty, maybe we could modify barbs a bit so they have better units (something medieval at best) or that human players have less of a bonus when attacking them

	17-11-2004 02:13									#63
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then you have plenty of people to play?

I mean..I find most games and I am involved in 22 currently..flow better with 3-4 people

let me know if you need me if not Ill find a game that moves along..Additionally, am I correct that I dont have to change any rules of which I will not do to my pc..if someone else launches then its fine as long as we play with rules we are all aware of

Thanks

Gramps

	17-11-2004 03:15									#64
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wow what a threadjack

Im going to start a new thread for my random map diplo game now so you can continue to use this one for discussing other games and settings etc

Ive moved my game set up to a new thread here

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...717#post3438452

please do not post about other games over there

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	17-11-2004 04:33									#65
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Oh no, not another thread.... Things will be even more confusing now.

Chrisius, this isn't a threadjack, we were continuing (i thought) the game you started discussing. You said in Snoopy's thread you wanted to play on the world map, so I figured on discussing it here. But if I was wrong and you wanted a random map, you should have just gone to Snoopy's thread.

*sigh* oh well. I guess there are three games now.
Ozzy's World Map Game
ChrisiusMaximus' Random Map Game
Snoopy's Random Map Game

Do we have enough players for all three?

	17-11-2004 04:40									#66
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well if you read my posts earlier you would see I had ddecided to go for a random map game, and as you say yourself this was my thread so I think I was right to discuss my preferences here

No worries though Im happy for you to continue any discussions here as I started a new thread to get my game set up from

If there are three games that come form this then its all good and I dont think finding enough players will be a real problem this place of crammed full of civ3 PBEM junkies

No confusion really snoopy is hosting a poll in his thread to choose a map style to play on, it may just be that he will choose to ask you if he can use your map, as I have suggested over there. I however have decided I want to set up a random map game and all im waiting for now is confirmation on who wants to join it

I have expressed my interest in joining snoopy's game too in his thread and if you decide to start a third I may even be persuaded to take a look at that one too

	17-11-2004 04:50									#67
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We PBEM'ers are all really very pathetic ..

NOT AS PATHETIC AS THIS CHEESE-HEAD but still somewhat pathetic

Like the watch he wears, time to move this thread from planning to playing

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	17-11-2004 20:11									#68
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quote: Originally posted by smellymummy its pretty simple to fix the rules back to default, so no worries about extra civs and units rules. i just wanted to see resource distribution and the map, and i think we'd be better off with the map doing the distribution randomly. i know it won't be accurate to history, and can make it very difficult for some players because many resources will be stuck in the americaa and australia; at least though it won't be prone to balancing failures that human editing can create.

What does everyone else think? My vote is for realism.

quote: also i think the map really needs more bananas and tobacco, italy could use an extra hill, more evidence of the alps, more food in norway, england one tile wider, iceland pushed back by one, more forests in north america, etc

More bananas, done.
More tobbacco, done.
Hill in Italy, because of the stupid way the map works in Civ3, if I add one hill to Italy it doubles in size and looks really weird. (pic attached)
More food in Norway, done.
Wider England, not done, I played with England for ages to get it to look decent. It honestly is a very skinny island near the top. It just looks really bad wider.
Iceland moved back, done.
More forests, done.

quote: could even be better to use a map that makes europe-asia bigger at the expense of a smaller american continent

I'd much rather a more realistic map than something that looks all warped. Trust me, we'll get over to the Americas. Plus the more we rub elbows the better.

quote: about the diplofaq 4.3 increase naval unit movement raise curraghs, galleys by one point caravels, privateers, galleons, frigates by two points modern ships by three i wouldnt mind seeing the privateer getting +1 to attack 7.4 natives if america and australia are going to be empty, maybe we could modify barbs a bit so they have better units (something medieval at best) or that human players have less of a bonus when attacking them

All sounds good to me.

	17-11-2004 20:12									#69
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the pic of italy. It does that no matter where I put the hill.

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	17-11-2004 20:17									#70
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seems all good

	17-11-2004 20:50									#71
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World Map Diplo-
ChrisiusMaximus - Zulu
OzzyKP - India
Ljube - Greece
smellymummy - Egypt
Modo44 - China
Grandpa Troll - Germany

So is this still accurate, or did people jump ship?

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	17-11-2004 22:46									#72
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Ozzy, people can play more than one PBEM game at the time

In your terms, sail on more than one ship

	17-11-2004 22:53									#73
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Yes Im still interested

	17-11-2004 23:34									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Ljube-ljcvetko Ozzy, people can play more than one PBEM game at the time

Yes. And there are those that have the number set to infinity.

Ozzy, I'm still in, of course.

	18-11-2004 06:03									#75
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Ok, just pick a civ Chrisius, Ljube, and Grandpa Troll and away we go. We have space for 2 in Europe and 1 in southern Africa. With this number of players we should leave Australia empty.

Once you guys pick your civs I'll finalize the map and we can get started.

	18-11-2004 06:05									#76
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Also, as Ljube mentioned in the other thread, we should slow down research. What is the best way to do this?

	18-11-2004 06:30									#77
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I'll take Greece.

The other European can be Spain, France or Scandinavia.

Or if the other European wants to be Rome, I'll take Scandinavia.

	18-11-2004 06:30									#78
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Ill take Germans

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	18-11-2004 06:35									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Grandpa Troll Ill take Germans

if you need me to change civs Im kewl with that..you tell me and Ill take em

	18-11-2004 07:17									#80
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP Also, as Ljube mentioned in the other thread, we should slow down research. What is the best way to do this?

i believe you'll need to open the scenario file in the editor, then (with custom rules) go to the world sizes tab.

in there, there's a field called tech rate. for this game, the 'standard' world size setting has to get changed. the higher it is the slower the tech race. considering 16 civs/huge map the tech rate is 400, not sure how high we should have it for this game. 400 might be too slow

	18-11-2004 09:05									#81
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Ok, I'm very new to modding Civ3 (and PBEM), so just give me a number and I'll plug it in.

Greece, Germany and Egypt might be a close combination. Egypt and Greece are actually closer than Greece and Germany. But I think its all workable. Germany and Greece will be a good combination, something different than regular picks in world diplos.

	18-11-2004 10:29									#82
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Ok, I edited the map for 6 players and adjusted the starting positions and such. Here is the world map with all the starting positions indicated. If you want me to bump over your start a tad, let me know.

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	18-11-2004 11:49									#83
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bump egypt one tile directly west please (on the west side of the river).

more of a cairo/nile start then a red sea coastal resort

	18-11-2004 16:39									#84
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I applaud your efforts at Map making..and without getting in trouble with 1889 for posting..without his permission thank you

Gramps

	18-11-2004 17:48									#85
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It looks like only Zulu left so Ill go with them `

	18-11-2004 19:05									#86
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Good choice.

Ok, Egyptian start moved. I picked a random number for the science modifier. I think 350. Lets hope that does it.

I adjusted the ship movement, added an attack to privateers, set the barbarian bonus to 0 (assuming we play monarch). So that should be everything. Here is the file. I'll start a story thread. Lets keep our out of character talk here, and reserve the story thread for, well, stories. And in-character negotiation and such.

Please be sure to check out other Diplogames if this is your first time playing one. Go check out HOTW2 or HOTW4, they are the best examples.

Ok, now how do we actually play PBEM? I've never done one before who starts?

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	18-11-2004 19:08									#87
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Story thread here: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=125549

	18-11-2004 23:37									#88
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if this is the correct timezones for everyone :

ChrisiusMaximus (GMT) Zulu
Ljube - (GMT +1) Greece
Modo44 - (GMT +1) China
Grandpa Troll (GMT -4) - Germany
OzzyKP (GMT -5) - India
smellymummy (GMT -8) - Egypt

then that could be the play order? to start it, play multiplayer, pbem, use scenario (world map), fill in players, start

btw my email is sm at inethighway dot com

	18-11-2004 23:46									#89
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also dont forget to take out references to units and anything else added to the text/ files, otherwise we'll all need those files too

	18-11-2004 23:50									#90
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I'm at OzzyKP at AOL dot com.

What was that last bit there? I added a balloon unit, so what does that mean?