29-11-2004 19:10									#181
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Great game last night -- can't resist a good Snow Bowl.

	29-11-2004 19:21									#182
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Yeah... snow always makes for an interesting game, and last night's game was a true classic... two teams that hate each other... bad weather... goes down to the last second... fun to watch.

	29-11-2004 20:59									#183
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I think the raiders had an advantage in the white snow, because of their white uniforms.

	29-11-2004 23:38									#184
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Hehe... the Bears just signed Jeff George.

They would be better off with Jeff Blake - Eagles 3rd string QB. There are a lot of decent 2nd and 3rd string QBs in NFL that are worth giving up a 4th or 5th round pick. Not sure why QB-deficient teams instead go to the scrap heap hoping to find a turd they can polish into gold.

	29-11-2004 23:42									#185
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Because teams may ask for more than 4th or 5th round pick and perhaps because teams feel they need those picks to build their team. Better to give up nothing for someone who'll probably only be needed for one year.

	30-11-2004 00:01									#186
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NFL Arithmetic Lesson :

+12 Eagles give/take (3rd in NFL)
10 opponents pts off Eagles turnovers (1st in NFL)
14.9 Eagles opponents pts/ game (1st in NFL)
26.6 Eagles pts/game (4th in NFL)
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Eagles Superbowl Victory

	30-11-2004 00:05									#187
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I love how people boast about future Superbowl victories in Week 12 . And from teams which aren't even undefeated .

	30-11-2004 00:09									#188
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Woo... just heard that Alge Crumpler and the Falcons have agreed to a contract extention!



Now, what about that Wide Reciever who can get seperation, Mr. McKay?

	30-11-2004 00:10									#189
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This year, the NFC is definitely weaker than the AFC. All NFL statistical rankings (and derivatives like the Aikman Efficiency Ratings) need to be normalized for this. Thus, NFC team ratings would all be lowered and AFC team ratings would all be raised.

	30-11-2004 02:00									#190
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So who is the least respected team currently, a 8-3 NY Jets team or a 9-2 ATL team????

	30-11-2004 02:31									#191
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The Falcons have a nice D but their offense is in its formative stages. IMHO they are definitely overrated. They would likely be 7-4 or 6-5 if they played in the AFC. They do have quality wins over San diego and Denver, but the rest of their schedule has been very weak, including their two losses -- to Detroit and KC. OTOH, with their remaining schedule (TB, Oak, Carolina, NO and Seattle), they could run the table and be on a roll for the playoffs.

At least the Jets are in the AFC. But their schedule (2 ea vs Miami and Buffalo, plus SF, Cleveland and Arizona for 6-1) certainly helped. And without a real QB, they are in for at least 2 more losses (NE and PGH), possibly more. Good chance they'll be the odd men out in the AFC wild card race.

	30-11-2004 02:42									#192
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quote: IMHO they are definitely overrated.

Then you must think really low of them . Everything I've been reading is how Atlanta is really an average team, etc, etc. I guess you can make that claim if the Falcons lost Vick. However, with Vick, he just wins games. He may not have the big stats, but he pulls it out in the end.

His career record so far is 21-10-1 with a below average offensive line, average running backs, a great TE, and piss poor wide recievers.

	30-11-2004 02:53									#193
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At least ATL gets press with Vick. I was shocked to look at the standings this morning and saw that the Jets were 8-3, and to me, that is sign of disrespect. Then again, that kind of record might not even get them into the playoffs in the AFC.

	30-11-2004 02:55									#194
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The Jets were getting a lot of press (NYC teams always do) when Pennington was the QB and Martin was ripping off all those 100 yard games when people said he was done. The last few games they've just looked pitiful on offense and the Giants have plugged in Eli Manning (getting most of the NY press).

When Pennington comes back, I expect the press to follow.

	30-11-2004 03:18									#195
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: IMHO they are definitely overrated. Then you must think really low of them . Everything I've been reading is how Atlanta is really an average team, etc, etc. I guess you can make that claim if the Falcons lost Vick. However, with Vick, he just wins games. He may not have the big stats, but he pulls it out in the end. His career record so far is 21-10-1 with a below average offensive line, average running backs, a great TE, and piss poor wide recievers.

Right now, I'd call Vick a below average quarterback, too. But with flashes of brilliance when it counts and he just wins.

I don't think he's great, but he can and will be.

You've helped sell him to me, Imran.

ACK!

	30-11-2004 03:46									#196
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I'm gonna join 'poly fantasy next year. For now, I can be content with running up an obscene winning streak in the Eventis league.

	30-11-2004 03:53									#197
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quote: Originally posted by pchang This year, the NFC is definitely weaker than the AFC. All NFL statistical rankings (and derivatives like the Aikman Efficiency Ratings) need to be normalized for this. Thus, NFC team ratings would all be lowered and AFC team ratings would all be raised.

It's been that way for about a decade now. The NFC used to be stonger, and for a long time too.

	30-11-2004 03:57									#198
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Yea, the AFC has been considerably better on average.

	30-11-2004 05:18									#199
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Thinking about NFL MVP. Everyone says Peyton Manning. I personally think that Drew Brees should win, as of right now anyway.

ACK!

	30-11-2004 05:24									#200
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski Thinking about NFL MVP. Everyone says Peyton Manning. I personally think that Drew Brees should win, as of right now anyway. ACK!

That's idiotic. Peyton Manning has a QB rating of 126 right now. In the last three games, the Colts have scored an average of 44 points per game. This is, without question, the single greatest regular season any QB in history.

	30-11-2004 05:33									#201
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QB rating isn't everything. Brees has a 108 rating. The one thing Manning has on him is TD's. Brees has thrown 4 fewer INT's.

Brees is taking a team expected to finish last and has them headed to the playoffs. Manning is taking a team that was expected to go to the playoffs...to the playoffs.

But, part of my theory is where the team was expected to be vs. where they are.

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	30-11-2004 05:38									#202
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quote: Right now, I'd call Vick a below average quarterback, too. But with flashes of brilliance when it counts and he just wins.

At least give him average! 84.1 Passer rating isn't that bad. In fact it is almost the same as Byron Leftwich's 85.5. And even then, he may be an average passing QB, but an above average player.

quote: That's idiotic. Peyton Manning has a QB rating of 126 right now. In the last three games, the Colts have scored an average of 44 points per game. This is, without question, the single greatest regular season any QB in history.

Peyton deserves the MVP in a run away. It's like arguing whether Bonds or Beltre should have been MVP in baseball this year... duh, the guy with the historic numbers!

	30-11-2004 05:54									#203
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quote: Brees has a 108 rating.

126 is vastly different than 108 (18 points to be exact). Look at the difference between QBs who have 80 rating and those who have 98.

quote: The one thing Manning has on him is TD's.

Yeah, by a freaking LOT!

	30-11-2004 06:12									#204
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Hey, I like Brees and all.

But Manning, is the best candidate for MVP.

Awesome QB, who deserves the MVP after splitting last year.

	30-11-2004 06:18									#205
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I hate peyton manning, but want him as my starting qb

	30-11-2004 06:29									#206
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TDs are definitely what matters..... After Superbowls.

	30-11-2004 06:35									#207
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What do you guys think about Martz lately? He's firing people in the middle of the season. :wow:

	30-11-2004 06:36									#208
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YEAH, unless the Colt's win the Super Bowl, peyton manning AIN"T **** just like Dan theman Marino. Go work on CBS, bitd2ch

	30-11-2004 06:46									#209
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I wouldn't mind seeing an AFC final- Chargers/Colts.

	30-11-2004 06:47									#210
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious What do you guys think about Martz lately? He's firing people in the middle of the season. :wow:

I'm sure Seahawks fans would like to see Paul Allen do the same .