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"Don't leave Independence Square until victory" - Viktor Yushchenko

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Ukraine gripped by poll turmoil

Tens of thousands of Ukrainians have thronged major cities, protesting at an election result they consider flawed.

Opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko told supporters to stage a civil disobedience campaign.

The cities of Kiev and Lviv refused to recognise the official victory for Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych.

While Russia accepted the result, a US observer alleged "concerted and forceful" fraud, and the EU called on Ukraine to review Sunday's election.

"We are very concerned about the news we have had about the outcome," said Dutch Foreign Minister Bernard Bot, representing the EU.

He said all 25 EU member states would be calling in Ukrainian ambassadors "to convey our message of serious concern".

Moscow, which backed Prime Minister Yanukovych, recognised the election result.

"I have congratulated Viktor Yanukovych for his victory," said President Vladimir Putin's personal envoy, Boris Gryzlov.

Observers for the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) said Sunday's run-off vote fell far short of European democratic norms.

Mr Yushchenko, seen as the pro-Western candidate, told thousands of people who braved sub-zero temperatures in the capital, Kiev, not to leave the rally "until victory".

"We are launching an organised movement of civil resistance," he said, denouncing what he called the "total falsification" of the vote which followed days of acrimonious wrangling over the results of the first round.

'Media bias'

Kiev city council refused to recognise the results, and urged parliament to follow suit.

Thousands of people turned onto the streets in the western city of Lviv, where the city council said it would only take orders from Mr Yushchenko.

The central electoral commission said with more than 99% of the vote counted, Mr Yanukovych had 49.4% while Mr Yushchenko had 46.7%.

But the opposition says it has recorded many thousands of irregularities - including very high turnouts in government strongholds.

Mr Yanukovych was backed by incumbent President Leonid Kuchma.

Exit polls earlier suggested that Mr Yushchenko had been on course for victory with a lead of at least six percentage points.

"The second round did not meet a considerable number of [international] commitments for democratic elections," said Bruce George, head of the OSCE mission in Kiev.

The OSCE also reported serious irregularities in the first round.

"The abuse of state resources in favour of the prime minister continued, as well as an overwhelming media bias in his favour," Mr George said.

The group said Sunday's violations also included intimidation of observers and voters.

The authorities are investigating the killing of a policeman who was guarding ballot papers in a village in central Ukraine. The motive for the killing is not known.

Mr Yushchenko's supporters say they do not believe the official turnout figure of 96% in eastern Ukraine.

"I believe in my victory but the government... has staged total fraud in the elections in the [eastern] Donetsk and Lugansk regions," Mr Yushchenko said.

Kiev was on high alert, with extra police and soldiers on the streets, and riot vehicles outside the central electoral commission.

During the campaign, Mr Yushchenko, prime minister between 1999 and 2001, claimed to have been the victim of intimidation and dirty tricks, including an alleged poisoning attempt.

His critics portray him as an American puppet who will do anything to gain power, including inciting civil unrest.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4031981.stm


Yushchenko was leading in the polls before the election, but now he seems to have lost. 96% turnout in the east - which is Yanukovych-land... Smells kinda fishy.

I hope things won't get too ugly.

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Yushchenko:

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Yeah, Putin has of course no problems with the result, despite all the mess surrounding the election and despite the OSCE, EU and US concerns.

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Jun 2001
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Once again Russia doing nastyness

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Hilarious- Putin supports the result which saw the candidate who favours greater/restored ties with Russia the winer.

Who'd have guessed?

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Even more hilarious: EU and US support the result which sees the candidate who favours goverment corruption and special deals to EU and US as a winner.

Who would've have guessed, indeed.

But oh wait... CNN says that Putin is an evil, evil man, so he's the one who must be lying. Right?

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Yushchenko was leading in the polls before the election, but now he seems to have lost.

KERRY WAS LEADING IN THE POLLS TOO!

Revolution in the US!



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KERRY WAS LEADING IN THE POLLS TOO!

Revolution in the US!

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Wow, that was DEEP!

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Have you seen the marks of failed assasination attempt on Yuschenkos face? Smells like KGB and Putin to me...and if they are willing to poison the candidate, rigging elections is no problem to them

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Wow, that was DEEP!


I think VJ is trying to be sane AND funny

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yeah yeah yeah

Putin and the evil West aside - the election was obviously less than perfect and as a result, a lot of people are pissed off.

Look what happened in Georgia a year ago. I wouldn't know if the same could happen in Ukraine, but it started with a rigged election and pissed off people.

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And oh so delightfully contrarian! FIGHT THE PREVAILING FORUM OPINION, VJ!

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CONFORM AT ALL COSTS!@!!

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Wow, that was DEEP!

...what?

Gangerolf is using the same argument as the hippies are now when Kerry in US has actually lost the election (both popular and electoral) : There must be some kind of conspiracy, some sinister force, which has manipulated the votes to create a win for the Evil Opposition.

Again, what?

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Please don't compare me with hippies

Besides, my point was that it's funny that Putin rushes to congratulate his boy for his victory, while almost everyone else is pointing out that the elections were flawed as hell.

Russia is a member of the OSCE too, you know.

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KYIV, 22 November 2004 - The second round of the presidential election in Ukraine on 21 November did not meet a considerable number of OSCE commitments, Council of Europe and other European standards for democratic elections. As in the first round, state executive authorities and the Central Election Commission displayed a lack of will to conduct a genuine democratic election process, concluded the International Election Observation Mission in a preliminary statement released today.

Between the two rounds, the Mission reported cases of public sector employees and students being pressured to support the current Prime Minister, Mr. Viktor Yanukovich. Nevertheless, a vibrant civil society demonstrated once again a high level of interest and engagement. Despite serious shortcomings in the process the second round of the election offered voters a choice, although campaign conditions were not equal.

"With an even heavier heart than three weeks ago, I have to repeat the message from the first round; this election did not meet a considerable number of international standards for democratic elections," said Mr. Bruce George, President emeritus of the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly and the Special Co-ordinator for the short-term observers. "The deficiencies have not been addressed. The abuse of state resources in favor of the Prime Minister continued, as well as an overwhelming media bias in his favor."


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"The figures and reports about the unjustified increase in the use of absentee voter certificates and the even higher increase of mobile voting, cast a shadow over the genuineness of the results," said Mr. Lucio Malan, Head of the NATO Parliamentary Assembly delegation. "Moreover the turnout in some territorial election commissions in Donetsk, exceeding 98.5 per cent, and increasing by 21 per cent after the first round, are unrealistic and highly suspicious."



http://www.osce.org/news/show_news.php?id=4547

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Yanks are doing the same sh!t they were doing in Georgia not so long ago- if their puppet lose, they start revolution. The funny thing is that wives of both Saakashvili (Georgian president) and Yushenko are American citizens. The wife of Yushenko even worked in American administration years ago (she was an assistant of some kind).

Yankees please, go f*cking home, leave Ukraine alone, accept your defeat and don't provoke a civil war there.

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Yanks are doing the same sh!t they were doing in Georgia not so long ago- if their puppet lose, they start revolution. The funny thing is that wives of both Saakashvili (Georgian president) and Yushenko are American citizens. The wife of Yushenko even worked in American administration years ago (she was an assistant of some kind).

Yankees please, go f*cking home, leave Ukraine alone, accept your defeat and don't provoke a civil war there.



Shut up Serb. The US had nothing to do with Georgia.

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Shut up Serb. The US had nothing to do with Georgia.

Yeah, right

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What stunning arguments you have Serb.

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What stunning arguments you have Serb.


Be nice to him. He just has a little hard time understanding that the majority of the Ukrainians would rather belong to Evil Europe then a Glorious Russian Empire

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"Don't leave Independence Square until victory" - Viktor Yushchenko


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4031981.stm


Yushchenko was leading in the polls before the election, but now he seems to have lost.


1) He was leading 11% in ONE exit poll SPONSORED by WESTERN GOVERNMENTS. In another exit poll done by Ukranian sociological company "Socis" he was leading 0.5%. According to third exit poll he was losing 4%.

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96% turnout in the east - which is Yanukovych-land... Smells kinda fishy.

Yeah, right at the same time opposition see nothing wrong with victory of Yushenko with lead 92% in Liviv, and 93,5% in Ivano-Francovsk and Ternopol regions. They see nothing wrong in such a lead of their candidate in the west, but protest against 96% turnout in the east
Loosers.

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I hope things won't get too ugly.

It will, if they will accept their defeat.

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Be nice to him. He just has a little hard time understanding that the majority of the Ukrainians would rather belong to Evil Europe then a Glorious Russian Empire


Majority of Ukranians just elected their new president. The rest are just bunch of loosers who can't accept their defeat. And btw, perhaps this ugly freak Yushenko promised to you that he will make Ukraine whore of US and Europe in case of his victory, but it is news for me that Yanukovich want Ukraine to join Glorious Russian Empire.
Have a nice day.

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Lord God knows much better than the CIA how to skew elections.
Lord God Putin.

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What stunning arguments you have Serb.


I have a stunning argument for you- Yanukovich won this election with 3% lead.

Game over.

You lose.

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this ugly freak Yushenko


Your strongest argument so far! How can anyone argue against that? I humbly admit my defeat in this debate

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Your strongest argument so far! How can anyone argue against that? I humbly admit my defeat in this debate



He could be star of The Mummy III or new Nightmare on Elm Street movie.

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Serb, I'm not saying one side is good and the other is evil. I admit I don't know much about the Ukrainian political system, except that it's obviously highly polarized and that their elections are even more ludicrous than the American ones

But isn't it a bit suspicious that the turnout was about 70% in the first round and then 96% in the second round?

And they don't seem to want to accept defeat. Now several city councils have announced they recognize Yushchenko as president.

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Please don't compare me with hippies

As you wish

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Your strongest argument so far! How can anyone argue against that? I humbly admit my defeat in this debate

It's funny how you're the one who starts joking about lack of arguments. Take a look at this thread. Notice how the ones who have agreed with the results of the election are the ones who have made all the arguments and brought up all the points, while the ones who think the election has been a fraud have offered nothing else but arrogant sarcasm?

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Yanks are doing the same sh!t they were doing in Georgia not so long ago- if their puppet lose, they start revolution. The funny thing is that wives of both Saakashvili (Georgian president) and Yushenko are American citizens. The wife of Yushenko even worked in American administration years ago (she was an assistant of some kind).


We're just mad because they stole our name! There is only one true Georgia, and its capital is Atlanta, NOT Tblisi

State of Georgia:
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