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quote: it is that those people have influenced the public school system to actually teach this crap to their children.

Well said . It defies reason. Every single time I hear about this makes me more determined to write a book declaring war on Christian fundies. And don't worry, I have a plan that makes Jeanette Winterson look like a Pentecostal Evangelist .

	24-11-2004 16:27									#92
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Evolutionist s!

	24-11-2004 16:30									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Art Vandelay Interesting how the folks on here who are finger-pointing at "leftist education" don't come out and "disprove" evolution

There's no sense in arguing either point: Creationism and Evolution. We all know that those kinds of arguments never get anywhere anyway. Neither side is ever convinced the opposite is true.

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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy There's no sense in arguing either point: Creationism and Evolution. We all know that those kinds of arguments never get anywhere anyway. Neither side is ever convinced the opposite is true.

What on earth are you smoking? Evolution refutes creationism on every point, and Principle of Sufficient Reason refutes creationists take on the big bang too. The only reason that the debates never go anywhere is because the creationists are too dogmatic to either listen, understand or change their views in the face of an overwhemingly superior opposing argument, resorting instead to ad hominem at worst, or simply repeating themselves at best in the delusion that they actually have an argument!

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You've convinced me of nothing. Keep on Whaleboy. You'll never succeed.

BTW, I don't smoke. Never have. Never will.

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Your dogmatism is indicative of the kind of attitude that prevents the debate getting anywhere. If someone were to dogmatically and rigidly claim that 1+1=3, then any appeals to the obvious or rigorous proofs that 1+1=2 would fail to convince. Of course, a debate is not a popularity contest, and the more consistent position is not measured by how many idiots it succeeds in convincing.

	24-11-2004 17:23									#97
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Of course, what would be more interesting would be to ask if the creationists could attempt to convince me of their view.

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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy You've convinced me of nothing. Keep on Whaleboy. You'll never succeed. BTW, I don't smoke. Never have. Never will.

the earth is flat, the sun revolves around it and the stars are really holes punctured in a black piece of cloth...

didn't you know ?

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quote: 67 percent of Bush voters

the world is doomed

might as well go play some tradewars

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My favourite part of the article:

quote: Overall, about two-thirds of Americans want creationism taught along with evolution. Only 37 percent want evolutionism replaced outright.

So "only" 37% of the Americans are FUBAR!

	24-11-2004 19:06									#101
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These numbers look a little weird. Without knowing the actual questions that were asked this article is meaningless. For instance:


FAVOR SCHOOLS TEACHING…

Creationism and evolution
All Americans
65%

Creationism instead of evolution
All Americans
37%

65% + 37% = 102%

Something isn't right here.

Basically this poll is crap.

	24-11-2004 19:11									#102
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quote: Originally posted by cubbyphan1138 Basically this poll is crap.

The fundie who posted the poll has already admitted as much.

	24-11-2004 19:14									#103
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The only part he has an issue with this is fact that those who agree with evolution are better educated, though.

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You mean "better brainwashed by the leftist propoganda machine" lolololollol.

It's the usual fundie trick of reading the parts you like and ignoring the parts you don't like. CBS says that there are a lot of American creationists, so it must be telling the truth. But it also says that creationists have poorer educations on average, so the poll must be influence by liberal bias. Leviticus says that God hates fags, and who in their right mind could disagree with that? Leviticus says that bats are a kind of bird, but, well, ummm... God hates fags.

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	24-11-2004 19:24									#105
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Mr. Nice Guy is Apolyton's Genuine Fundie Creationist.

His "arguments" against evolution consist generally of and and

I'd pity him, but I just can't muster the pity. Probably because people who think the way he does scare the crap out of me (for those who spent time in the CivIII strategy forum, I rate Mr. Nice Guy at 10 on the STCOMOM).

Sigh.

-Arrian

	24-11-2004 19:39									#106
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Poor USA

	24-11-2004 20:41									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy Support for evolution is more heavily concentrated among those with more education and among those who attend religious services rarely or not at all.

MNG, ready to admit that you're in league with uneducated morons yet?

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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat Bipartisan consensus: people are stupid

Thats why we're in the mess we are - still i do believe it doesn't have to be this way.

But somehow i dont think forsakeing science(or spelling for that matter ) in favour of myths - however compelling - is the answer, and i actualy believe in spiritualism and am happy to except what science has to offer if guided by wisdom.

a souless world
religous fundementalism, any flavour

balance

or to put it another way,

God/Buddha(insert religious figure head etc) is something you 'feel' but cannot 'prove' exists.

Science is something you can 'prove' but never 'feel' - it is souless by its nature.

but neither system taken in its purest form is a good way to lead collective human lives. We actualy do need both science and religion to succed in our task.

so stop fighting kids, fundis spread a little of the good of jesus/budha/mohamid around.

Realists/non-believers/heretics( ) - stop calling people with spiritual and very real and mostly good beliefs stupid, and show them the good that science can be used for.

is the key

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exactly my thoughts.

well put

	24-11-2004 22:30									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy Your dogmatism is indicative of the kind of attitude that prevents the debate getting anywhere. If someone were to dogmatically and rigidly claim that 1+1=3, then any appeals to the obvious or rigorous proofs that 1+1=2 would fail to convince. Of course, a debate is not a popularity contest, and the more consistent position is not measured by how many idiots it succeeds in convincing.

Wanna bet that you are just as "dogmatic" as I?

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It'd be a pretty one-sided contest though. Whaleboy and the many who know far better about evolution would post mountains of valid evidence in favour of evolution, which you wouldn't accept, then you (If you are like 99% of other creationists on the internet) would post some semi-random garbling about abiogenesis and very bad science, which only those desperate to believe in a young Earth would accept.

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1+1=3

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon I mean, it wasn't completely silly before the discovery of DNA

Yes it was.

	24-11-2004 22:43									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Oh boy! Woop-de-****ing-doo! Only half of the people who voted for Kerry can be demonstrably shown to be idiots! What proof that liberals are intelligent!

Yeah, when I saw that I was

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quote: Originally posted by Uncle Sparky Isn't there a Fox poll that sais 99% of the smartest Americans voted Republican and believe in God and creationism ?

Creationism and intelligence are mutually exclusive.

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You shouldn't give Creationists ammo to whine about being personally attacked. Plus they aren't mutually exclusive entirely- I have a biochemist friend doing a PhD who believes in Creationism. Just imagine that- someone of PH's calibre belieiving in Creationism

	24-11-2004 23:00									#118
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He probably goes to a BS school.

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Imperial College.

	24-11-2004 23:03									#120
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Chemistry and physics don't preclude a belief in ID.