25-11-2004 04:46									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Vel, I'm sorry to say it, but my opinion of you has just taken a huge hit

The concept of CTP2 was truly great. The designers thought things out really well and design wise the game was far superior to Civ 1 or 2. However, in execution the game fell to pieces because Activision just wouldn't spend the money needed to create a bug free game. The AI was crap because activision wouldn't pay the money to get top notch talent to design a better AI and that story was repeated over and over for each area of the game.

I wouldn't have minded so much if they had at least patched and fixed the game but instead they released one tiny patch and abandoned the game and that is why I no longer buy games from Activision.

	25-11-2004 04:48									#62
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quote: The designers thought things out really well and design wise the game was far superior to Civ 1 or 2.

Which is why it needs almost a complete overhaul to be even marginally playable, ignoring the bugs?

	25-11-2004 05:02									#63
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It's confirmed, Firaxis has bought Civilization!

	25-11-2004 05:03									#64
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The next Civ add on will probably feature sims which will populate your civ.

	25-11-2004 05:05									#65
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If they put in just a little bit of CtP it might be good. If they use some CtP concepts but have the Firaxis guys run things.

I don't want the series killed.

	25-11-2004 05:07									#66
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re: Trip: Cool!

	25-11-2004 05:13									#67
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Opps, Firaxis did EU2 not Sims.

	25-11-2004 05:14									#68
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The really good news is that Soren Johnson (the head of Firaxis) is excellent at supporting his products. Firaxis is still releasing patches for EU2 and that game has been out for years. That means Civ is now in the hands of people who really care about putting together a quality product.

	25-11-2004 05:22									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Trip It's confirmed, Firaxis has bought Civilization!

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	25-11-2004 05:33									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin The really good news is that Soren Johnson (the head of Firaxis) is excellent at supporting his products. Firaxis is still releasing patches for EU2 and that game has been out for years. That means Civ is now in the hands of people who really care about putting together a quality product.

Firaxis didn't develop EU2, Paradox from Sweden under Johan Andersson did.

	25-11-2004 05:46									#71
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What are you smoking Oerdin

Anyways,

	25-11-2004 05:53									#72
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Also, Soren Johnson is just the lead designer for Civ 4, he's by no means the head of Firaxis.

	25-11-2004 06:01									#73
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Trip, you should warn people that is a joke.
Common courtesy.

	25-11-2004 06:01									#74
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Civ coming home...

	25-11-2004 06:08									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Trip, you should warn people that is a joke. Common courtesy.

It's a link, I have no pity on those don't investigate for themselves.

	25-11-2004 06:22									#76
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Fine then.

For all those who are too lazy to check out my link, it goes to a CFC thread:

quote: Originally posted by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS: Truth is, I bought it. I've been saving up my allowance for years now, and it was supposed to be a Christmas gift for my wife. I can't believe they ruined the surprise by doing a press release!

	25-11-2004 06:57									#78
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Let Blizzard buy it and make a WoC

@Trip :

	25-11-2004 07:31									#79
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quote: Admit it: the series needs killing. It's getting stale and tired.

I agree, its getting stale and tired. A different game with the same theme would be most welcomed! Civ, Civ 2 and Civ 3 were basically variations on the same game. A different game, with different game mechanics, but with the same theme would be most refreshing!

	25-11-2004 08:30									#80
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You're just getting old nostromo, a new generation will keep enjoying civ.

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Ban Trip !!!

	25-11-2004 08:40									#81
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That must be it...

	25-11-2004 08:47									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Trip Which is why it's getting more sales than ever.

Everything's getting more sales than ever. There's more computers than ever.

I'm sure there'd be some pertinent statistic you could take about how many people who played Civ2 bought and played and are still playing Civ3, and of how many people who bought Civ3 still play it and will play Civ4. From looking at the trends on Apolyton, you see everyone start with a game, play it, love it, buy the next one, not like it so much, drift to the OT or leave. I suspect the Civ franchise has a massive turnover of buyers, with a large proportion getting bored with the whole concept rather rapidly after the initial obsession.

	25-11-2004 08:47									#83
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Ok, so I mixed things up.

	25-11-2004 09:21									#84
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quote: [SIZE=1]Everything's getting more sales than ever. There's more computers than ever. I'm sure there'd be some pertinent statistic you could take about how many people who played Civ2 bought and played and are still playing Civ3, and of how many people who bought Civ3 still play it and will play Civ4. From looking at the trends on Apolyton, you see everyone start with a game, play it, love it, buy the next one, not like it so much, drift to the OT or leave. I suspect the Civ franchise has a massive turnover of buyers, with a large proportion getting bored with the whole concept rather rapidly after the initial obsession.

Civilization has a reputation as one of the greatest game series' of all time (whether or not you believe it is is your opinion, but it's true). I ask casual gamers I know in real life and go around various sites which broadcast Civ news to "normal" people, and trust me, they love the series...

	25-11-2004 11:17									#85
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When Sid and Co. was at MicroProse, they did their own Pub.

	25-11-2004 16:02									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed Civilization is overrated. I prefer Anarchy and the Noble Savage.

Meh, Anarchy is a clickfest and I couldn't be bothered to even try Noble Savage.

	25-11-2004 17:03									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Trip It's confirmed, Firaxis has bought Civilization!

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	25-11-2004 17:14									#88
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Well, I am one of those who strongly prefers Alpha Centauri over Civ III. I can only hope that any Civ IV uses some of the features of that game rather than Civ III.

But this raises the question, does it not, as to whether Alpha Centauri is included in the Civilization franchise?

	25-11-2004 17:59									#89
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Yeah, it would work to base Civ4 directly on SMAC.

	25-11-2004 18:18									#90
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Hmmm... if Firaxis and Atari have parted, who will publish and distribute the new Pirates game?

To be honest, who distributes a game isn't nearly as important as who develops it... I'd be gutted if Firaxis had gone belly up but this sounds like the Atari label being streamlined for jerk-react style games, putting the "brain" games into something else.