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Whaleboy
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Jan 2003
time: 05:18
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The others are a much more interesting argument.
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Que?
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Just making the point, that books in elementary schools are censored, and people approve of this censorship. Why one book should be included and not another, is a decision made by librarians all the time.
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The censorship is rarely if ever political. At that level it usually involves violence or sex. Also exclusive political views (i.e. Nazism, homophobia, and others that seek to discriminate).
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Exactly. Parents have every right to determine what their children read and see in schools and lawmakers have every right to put forward bills that determine how public funds are used.
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Actually that's not the case. Schools are not a means of perpetuting a parents own views, ideally they are means by which students can come to their own judgement, whereupon all the relevant literature should be available. The best schools and educational methods known to me all approximate or seek to follow that method.
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Education means exposure.
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By that argument, those that learn about Nazism objectively without anti-Nazi agenda are more likely to be Nazis. That is not the case. Furthermore, to say that education means exposure ergo those books should not be allowed relies on the assumption that homosexuality is unacceptable as a lifestyle or somehow less valid.
I hardly think a situation of "hey there are gay people in existence, it's cool to be gay, let's be gay" is going to develop, but if it did, what would be the problem? 
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Because it is not outlawed, banning/burning books that make mention of the topic stretches the desires of the community a bit far.
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Just a bit
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I agree. As I said before, even if it is passed into law (which is extremely unlikely) it wont be upheld because it isnt a 'community' its the state (as a minimum).
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It's bad enough that it's being seriously considered. Bigots like Allen need to be refuted, ridiculed and countered at every available opportunity. Sure he has the right to speak, but the right to be taken seriously is earned, and I fear it is indicative of a problematic and narrow-minded society that he is or may be so.
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book burning/book banning is anti-intellectual
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Well you can't pin the word "hypocrisy" on me, because I would fully accept including the Bible in public school library collections.
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Likewise. Alongside other religious texts preferably too.
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For example, left wing PC police have made efforts to block Huck Fin, because it uses the N word.
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Methinks you'll find that this isn't an issue of economic left or economic right . Social authoritarians will seek to ban this literature, hence the pro-intellectual movement will be anti-authoritarian, left or right. But then, turn that on it's head... who is it that you hear challenging Steinbeck's "Of Mice and Men"?
Though of course Wycoff, examples would be appreciated 
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Solomwi
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Don King of the Apolyton HLA Movement
Dec 2002
time: 23:18
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Ramo, it was an amendment to remove language from the constitution and at least one other amendment, not a straight repeal of an existing amendment. Just pointing that out as a technicality.
The problem with that amendment was a concerted effort by some to foster the belief that removing the language, which basically said education is not a right in Alabama, would open the door for court-mandated tax increases for school funding.
It's crap, and Roy Moore was one of the ones spearheading that argument, but it scared enough otherwise intelligent people, who simply didn't investigate the amendment much at all, into voting no just in case there was something to the argument. Another big chunk of no votes came from people who just don't trust our government (and with good reason) and figured there had to be some ulterior motive. Add in those that voted no on all amendments, and have vowed to do so until we're given a completely new constitution, and the only surprise is that it was close enough for a recount.
OTOH, we did pass an amendment that pissed away our property rights by allowinf eminent domain to legitimately include economic development projects. 
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Ben Kenobi
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McGregornobi!
Oct 2002
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Well I read that one, and I read the other one where you said Canada won't have them in elementary schools, but where's the proof?
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Asher doesn't contest what I've said. I know they had them in my secondary school, but not in the elementary library where I attended.
Granted, that was some time ago, but why would they make sure a Bible got put in there if it wasn't in there before?
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The religious public school district DOES allow bibles, while the secular public school district does not...
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EDIT, he CONFIRMS the point.
Last edited by Ben Kenobi on 05-12-2004 at 13:31
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